I have to say that I'm leaning toward your court on this one.

Brian
Team A.I.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Stringham 
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] http://www.terracaching.com/


  Ok,
  I spent some time looking at the site. Again, I am not excited. 

  Things I like: 
  1) Locationless caches are back.
  2) Virtuals are back.
  3) Some excitement over the possibilities.

  Things I don't like:
  In some ways the self policing policy. Believe it or not. There are no overarching, controlled rules. It has quickly become the rebel site.Creating the virtual/locationless that would never have been approved on GC.  In some ways I might be called a prude. Ok, so be it. But, I need a site to be family friendly. And, so far it does not seem to be. Examples:
  Locationless caches listed/discussed:
  1) Logging a find in the nude (picture required).
  2) Natural Birdies (nature's examples of giving you the finger).
  3) Your local bordello. (Pictures/receipts/etc. required for logging a find).

  Ok, the possibilities of virtuals coming back is nice. But, not with this kind of stuff in the mix. I don't need it and I don't want it. Call me a prude, or whatever. But, that is how I feel. So, Terracaching is off my list for now.

  Steven Stringham
  StringCachers


  Gale wrote: 



      Ok. Like I said, I mostly joined TC out of curiosity. You can't really 
      see what is there until you are actually sponsored. And I am not excited 
      by what I see so far.

      I am excited. There is so much potential on that site. Granted there is nothing here yet, but we can all build it. You have stated how you miss virtuals. This is a site that lists virtual caches. This is something I miss as well. 

      Yes, GC is a bit of a monopoly. But, it is open to find out what is 
      going on even before signing up. (You can see what caches are there!). 
      That also lets land managers search in their areas without 
      "sponsorship". I do kinda have a bit of a problem with the idea that 
      caches could be placed on TC and the land manager can't find out about 
      it. (Can we cache in the McDowell Preserve?).

      The site clearly states that local geocaching land management rules apply. This is a self policing policy though.

      My real question is, how can we work from within GC to change some of 
      this. If posting on a Forum the answer? Is Jeremy the "benevolent 
      dictator"? Does he listen to our concerns, or has he made up his mind, 
      and there is no appeal? I don't know the answer to this question.

      Perhaps Brian is seeing something Im not seeing. I think Jeremy listens somewhat, but he also has his own idea of what geocaching should be, and it does not include some aspects others like. It is his site, so that is his choice, and his right. After 2 years of people requesting virtuals back, dont expect they will return as they used to be. 

      I do know we support GC with our subscriptions, and purchases (TB tags, 
      etc.) and activity. It really is a good site, generally. And the 
      programming does keep getting better. I do wish the site would open up 
      to places like AZGC for local support. (Thanks AZGC for all you do!)

      It is a good site for the most part.  

      I think your beef is with the tougher rules. Am I right? So, is there an 
      appeals process? A virtual petition drive perhaps? What does Jeremy 
      listen to?

      Steven Stringham
      StringCachers







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