See now this is what bugs us. We are penalized in this state because of what may happen in other states. This is why some think we need to have local control rather than one global place with sole control. I realize gc.com is looking out for everyone's best interest, by restricting things for us here, to avoid offending land managers in other states. Artemis Approver wrote:....it is not the land manager of that park that groundspeak is concerned with. It is the land managers of other parks who look at cache placements when deciding if they should allow any more in there area. It is the land manager in Nebraska who has decided after seeing certain areas in California that the best way to avoid the same is to ban all caches from Nebraska. ... And I quote "Geocaches may not be placed in the Pioneers Park Nature Center in the western portion of Pioneers Park, the Sunken Gardens, ot the Antelope Park Rose Garden due to the sensetive nature of the landscape in these areas." So as I explained to graldrich and received a nice 'that was a great explaination' email from him. Groundspeak made the guidelines to protect its interests in ALL areas that people cache. Just as people from Oregon and NY come cache and leave caches here, the land managers of other places will check on other states. On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 21:53:05 -0700, Bill Tomlinson wrote: > I don't want to beat a dead horse (or a live one for that matter), but > it seems I'm completely lost. I'm reading two objections, but can't > understand either. First, you say that it is a matter of saturation, > but as I read Graldrich's listing, he noted somewhere between .20 and > .33 but when I look at the guidelines posted at geocaching.com, it says > that caches must be placed at least .10 apart. If the guidelines have > changes, they should be posted. Second, you mention the possibility of > land managers getting upset, but graldrich said he would obtain > management approval before placement (as we always should). Seems to me > they aren't going to get too upset if he does something they approve of. > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web