There's a guy out there I've seen that shatters all concepts of caching morality. One must ask... What would you do? And one (this one anyway) must reply. Nothing. With one exception - exception being when the cacher's actions have the potential to compromise the experience for other cachers, e.g. a situation like that described by ShadowAce that started this thread. If you play golf, you learn early on that there are an incredible number of golfers who claim scores that bear no relationship to the actual number of strokes they took during the round, which of course is what the score is supposed to represent. Does one call cheat? Well if there's money on the game, especially your money, or some kind of trophy, you do what you can to keep it honest. But if it's just someone you got paired up with by the starter, you ignore it. I'm somewhat less bothered by those who rationalize a not-found into a found than I am by those who don't log their not-founds at all. At least the "creative finders" are providing information to the cache owner and future seekers. The people who don't log NFs do a disservice to the entire caching community. Perhaps they couldn't find it because it's gone missing - a fact that both the owner and seekers who would prefer to avoid a wild goose chase really need to know. But, hey, their numbers look good, and that's all that matters to them. Steve Team Tierra Buena