Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Like you, I also think there are too few remote caches places in proportion to the number of urban caches. While many enjoy the challenge of finding a cache under the noses of the others in a park, we have never found this interesting, and have, in fact, never bothered to find an urban cache. We are completely unable to understand what would make someone want to fight traffic and crowds all day to log 10, or 30, or even 100 urban caches. I'm sure many here don't understand why we would spend all day in 4-wheel low finding 2 caches in the middle of nowhere. I guess if we all liked things the same, we would all want to be married to the same woman (man). I hope this cache finds a good home in a wilder place. Bill in Willcox _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:44 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache "We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache". I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences). Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson and not far from Picacho Peak. Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer)