Steve, you have been the contact for Maricopa Parks. Is there a way to let them know about what happened and ask them for a clarification? Not that we need one, but it would let them know that there is a some harassment going on regarding the rangers attitude towards cachers. My reluctance to do so is based on a couple of things. First, I wasn't at either incident. Second, the individual contact I had, to whom I might have spoken off the record, is no longer in that position, and the person who has taken his place is brand new. I really think it would be up to the Geocachers involved to decide whether to lodge a complaint. I do know this, though: When I go out to McDowell Mountain Regional Park to see if I can find Grandma Sarah's Cache, I'll have with me a printed copy of the permission email I got from the Park Superintendent, as well as a copy of the Park Commission's web page on Geocaching! Steve Team Tierra Buena Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 _____ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears