At 09:04 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Since you so nicely ignored my preferences, I will ignore yours and >forward your message to the list and to Team Tierra Buena >directly. Perhaps in the future you will be more considerate of other >people when you climb onto your soapbox. I am not entirely sure that I agree that Ken's message was spam, but this is not the place for that discussion. I don't necessarily see the need to keep things from Steve. I can understand Ken's motivation for doing so, as this list isn't always friendly to people who express their opinions, I know this more than most. :-) Steve is one of the people that I am really glad that I have had a chance to meet, get to know and become friends with while geocaching, but as we have talked about face to face, I don't completely agree with his stance on how to work with the land managers. That is one of the reason that I was greatly relieved that I am not participating in any of the meetings with the managers. Steve and I can disagree on these issues, and remain friends. I would ask that people keep an open mind about this list. Perhaps Ken should have posted here, but there are those here that would have been upset with that also, since they don't seem to want to hear rants here, but come on people, this list is worthless if all it is for is to congratulate people for reaching certain milestones. Land use issues are a very important issue before us as geocachers, and having strong opinions about land use issues is only normal. I think that this list is the perfect place to talk about such things. Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com