Ken,

If you don't like urban caches THEN DON'T DO THEM! Duh.....

Andy



  -----Original Message-----
  From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jeff
Moriarty
  Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:04 PM
  To: ken@highpointer.com; Team Tierra Buena; listserv@azgeocaching.com
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Let's fight to keep our caches in Scotsdale
Desert Preserves: Do not acquiesce to radical "preservationist" policy


  Ken,

  This is an unsolicited email to me, or what is commonly referred to as
"Spam".  I didn't join the Listserv to have people send me their personal
rants.  I would be more forgiving if this was an honest email or some sort
of worthwhile cause here, but all you did is spout off your own opinions
from a high horse.  To put frosting on the cake you send it to me without MY
permission, then start your message telling me not to do something without
YOUR permission.

  Since you so nicely ignored my preferences, I will ignore yours and
forward your message to the list and to Team Tierra Buena directly.  Perhaps
in the future you will be more considerate of other people when you climb
onto your soapbox.

  Jeff.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: ken@highpointer.com
    To: geocaching@yahoo.com
    Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 3:06 PM
    Subject: Let's fight to keep our caches in Scotsdale Desert Preserves:
Do not acquiesce to radical "preservationist" policy


    NOTE:  This is not a Listserv@azgeocaching.com posting.  Please do not
forward it to that group, and please do forward this note to other
geocachers without my permission.

    The other and more significant reason in my opinion is the fact that the
Commission sees the Preserve more akin to a Designated Wilderness Area than
a Municipal Park, and the city ordinances that created the Preserve and the
Commission back that up. Considered in that light, banning Geocaching makes
a lot more sense in the Preserve than in many other public lands.

    I will state my opinion here:  Geocaching should be permitted in all of
the Scottsdale McDowell-Sonoran Preserve, and we as Geocachers should fight
to maintain our rights to hide and maintain caches in the Scottsdale Desert
Preserves.  Why should we simply acquiesce to such a blatently unfair
policy?  This land is public land that should be available to all of us.  As
a freedom-loving American, I am fervently opposed to "preservationists" who
want to lock us out of public lands and treat us like we are living in a
dictatorship.  (Although I consider myself to be a conservationist, the more
I learn about what "preservationists" want to do and the restrictions they
want to put on us, the more I become opposed to people like that).

    Let's fight to keep geocaching available on all public lands.  We need
more, not fewer, geocaches on backcountry lands, caches that require long
hikes, are on top of mountain peaks, and are not close to parking areas or
vehicle access.

    I am sending this note to geocachers individually, rather than the list
server.  I am not sending this to Steve of Team Tierra Buena because I very
much opposed to his position on this matter.  Therefore, please do not
forward this note to him.

    Steve appears to be acquiescing rather than trying to fight to preserve
geocaching.  One of the caches he said should be removed is the Thompson
Peak geocache, which I will not remove because I feel that it is one of the
best geocaches in the Phoenix metropolitan area.  (Geocachers who have
visited it have expressed very favorable opinions on the log entries).  We
need more caches like this one, not fewer. (I am getting tired of many of
these urban caches that require no physical exertion to find, and which
often become missing after a short time).

    I will make this, and my other physical caches, "members-only" caches.
Therefore, if the Scottsdale Preserve "preservationists" want to get and
remove my cache, they would have to become a member.

    Ken Akerman