At 11:02 AM 12/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Unlike the USFS training that's been set up, the El Camino del Diablo >Strike Force is not going to be as regimented. If you have the permit and >show up when everyone else does, you're in. Time of day and exact meeting >place have yet to be determined... does anyone know a good gathering place I am thinking that I am going to try and take a day off work sometime next week to make the trip to Phoenix to get our permits. It will also be a good excuse to grab a few more caches up there. I am guessing that it will take us somewhere between 2 and 2.5 hours to reach the meeting place. With that in mind, I think we would prefer a meeting time around 8 or 9 am. With the gearing in the land cruiser, 65 is about top speed on the freeway. I also need to get the hard top put back on before the big trip. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com