At 07:02 AM 12/5/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Stealth applications take some time...Friends Again will be the name). I >just find it very frustrating that after putting time and effort into a >item that is stolen. a knee jerk reaction would be to say this a a ill >placed cache but the cache has been around for over 3 months and not 2 days.... When we first started hiding caches I gave this a lot of thought. I decided that there was always going to be a certain percentages of caches that were going to be plundered in some manner. Because of that I decided that it was much more important to find a great place for a cache instead of spending a lot of time or money on the physical cache itself. The only thing that I am upset about if one of my caches disappears is the log book, nothing else has any real value. As an example, there is a cache out in Red Rock Canyon near Vegas that is a pringles can. It is a very cheap cache container, and the mere fact that it is a pringles can helps you in retrieving and replacing the cache without attracting any undue notice. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache