Brian, You had mentioned that you heard ricocheting. Were the individuals shooting up toward you? What did they say they were shooting at? I was impressed to read that the MCSO got there in five minutes! As I noted yesterday, my trips out there have been pretty calm. The most unusual thing that I found out there was finding a stolen car. I found it stripped and driven off the embankment at the area you, Jake and I had parked while looking for "Looney Tunes." I called it in to the MCSO and they told me it had been stolen from Mesa two days earlier. I gave them the coordinates and they told me they would have "Search and Rescue" check it out. Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Casteel Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:37 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: Bulldog Canyon The entrance I was entering on this day was the Usery Pass entrance. From the trailhead, the shooters were tucked in a little ravine about .25-.27 miles in from the road. From the cache itself, I was about 450ft. Brian Team A.I. I haven't lost my mind. It's backed up on disk somewhere.