I have often preached that newcomers should find several caches before they hide them, but I'm having second thoughts. Here's a team in Canada that has zero finds and forty hides, but look at an example of what they're doing, and what they're putting in their caches: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=42951 Even if we factor in that they're talking Canadian money, that's a lot of Loonies! (Log entry: "Took money, left used golf ball..."?) Oh, well, I think I'll go out and find some McToys now... Steve Team Tierra Buena Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...