It's actually not surprising that the ranger who is removing the caches from National Park land is a cacher himself. It's obviously how he thought to look for them in the first place. It's interesting how he "blew his cover" here though. Snaptek guys, check to see if he is a user of this listserv. My guess is that he's just trying to do his job as he sees it, but if he did know about this e-mail list it would have been better for him to post a tactful reminder to those with caches on Park land and ask them to voluntarily remove them. He could also have done so directly by contacting the cache owners through the main Web site. It wouldn't hurt to make him aware of this listserv and invite him to take part in a discussion. Nobody here is so upset that they would berate him with obscenities (I don't think). Communication almost always brings good results. I doubt we'll get him to ignore the law. Many here probably don't want him to. But we all might feel better about the situation after having talked together. Jerry-Offtrail On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:28:27 -0700 Scott Wood writes: I don't know how many of you are watching the following cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=586 FirePoint at Scenic StarDance but if you are you probably noticed something very interesting today. I just recieved the following two log watch notifications. #1: Ranger51 has logged a cache on your watch list (FirePoint at Scenic StarDance). You can visit the cache at the following link: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=586 User comments: The FirePoint at Senic StarDance cache has been removed under 36 CFR 2.22(a)(2) Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours, except in locations where longer time periods have been designated or in accordance with conditions established by the superintendent. The cache has been impounded under 36 CFR 2.22(b)Impoundment of Property. Per the regulations set forth in 36 CFR 2.22(b)the cache will be stored at Saguaro National Park for a period of 60 days during which the owner can claim the cache by contacting Saguaro National Park, West. Thank you, Ranger Jackson #2: Saguaro Rangers has logged a cache on your watch list (FirePoint at Scenic StarDance). You can visit the cache at the following link: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=586 User comments: The FirePoint at Senic StarDance Cache has been removed under 36 CFR 2.22(a)(2) Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours, except in locations where longer time periods have been designated or in accordance with conditions established by the superintendent. The cache has been impounded under 36 CFR 2.22(b)Impoundment of Property. Per the regulations set forth in 36 CFR 2.22(b)the cache will be stored at Saguaro National Park for a period of 60 days during which the owner can claim the cache by contacting Saguaro National Park, west. Thank you, Ranger Jackson What I find odd about this is that it would appear that "Ranger51" removed the cache and logged it. They then deleted the log entry and re-entered it as "Saguaro Rangers" which is the same geocaching.com account that they used for the cache out in the East unit. If you look though the logs for this cache you will see that "Ranger51" had already logged this cache as a find. Infact, "Ranger51" is a fairly active cache hunter here in Tucson. I am not saying that there appears to be any hypocrisy but.... Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache