Anyone else as frustrated with this one as I am? Why can't we find it? Maybe 1) the cache isn't at or near the coordinates, 2) since the cache is completely hidden, there's no way to find it, 3) the cache is gone already, or 4) or something else is too sneaky or foul about it. I've looked aggressively twice now. After another hour today, Trail Gypsy (sorry, I forgot your names) drove up and we looked together for another 30 minutes until I gave up. Both of them were still at it when I left. This was also Trail Gypsy's 2nd attempt. Cody & Cheryl (CBx2) has looked, maybe twice. Libby (WolfB8) has also looked, maybe with WhiteWolf helping. I know we all have the same coordinates (don't know about Libby). Guess I accept the loss on this one, and move on. :-) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.azjeeper.com