It seems that if a cache is very fare of the main road they don't get visited often , Most of the new cachers are urban cachers in town and micros. I prefer out in the tolees and short hike and a container big enough to put trade items in them, I am gona start putting Micro containers in caches i go to for the urban cachers to put out . We did a few caches in Surprise lately and it seemed that if there was a bush or tree it had a cache in it not big enough to put much in. I do understand some people like the urban caches put in a park that has a sign "NO TRUST PASSING "????????? and some like the challenge of a hike and a larger container. It is still a great sport for all ages :-) Patrick Brown PANDA77 YCSRT 3213 SYCSRT TEAM Manager http://www.sycsrt.org T.E.A.M = Together Everyone Accomplishes More > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com