Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the boundaries. Andy Esteban wrote: > Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach > myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of > MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness." > > Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very, > very new to this all. > > - Esteban (bakura82) > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel > wrote: > > Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per > the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, > are not permitted. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > ] *On Behalf > Of *Esteban > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM > > *To:* listserv@azgeocaching.com > *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > > > > > Shadowace, > > I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you > posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says > we should be going to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking > lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM > first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot > resides for permission? Wow. > > Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean by this? > > - Esteban (bakura82) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700 > From: shadowace.az @gmail.com > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group > > Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to > make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land > managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission. > > Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this > state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow > simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS > lands' 'No Wilderness areas' > > Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this > together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local > group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then > speaking for all cachers in the state. > > Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and > promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after > obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area? > > http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm > > Arizona's > > > *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules* > > * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office > before placing a cache_ > * Do not place caches at archaeological sites > * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for > prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial > business > * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location > > Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone > else is following the rules? > > Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing > a cache? > > I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I > also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to > everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer > wish to stick my neck out with land managers. > > ~ShadowAce / Dirk > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com