Yeah, I can agree with that. However, there are times when my sidearm is very tempted to vent my frustration on the cache container when it is finally found. :) Brian Team A.I. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of AZcachemeister@getnet.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:53 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s The higher the frustration while searching : ( , the greater the satisfaction once it is found. :D -- Sent from my Treo -----Original Message----- From: Brian Casteel Date: 11/14/06 9:40 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subj: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s Your last sentence made me chuckle. When my It.Has You cache was out in Bulldog Canyon, anytime I needed to stop by and do something with the cache, it usually took me a good 20 minutes to find my own cache, since all those flippin' rocks looked the same. The FTF on that cache stayed up for 48 hours straight watching the movie to get the clues and was absolutely ecstatic when he logged his find. But yeah, it is a good feeling when someone makes repeated visits to your cache in order to find it, but at the same time I almost feel bad for the level of frustration I know I can inflict. Look at my Perplexity cache if you want an idea of that. Brian Team A.I. _____ From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EMa Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s Well I guess we all cant be perfect. Its a shame that some people never experience a DNF. What a feeling to know that someone hid such a good cache that you need to come back a 2nd and 3rd time just to find it. On 11/14/06, Ford, Denny wrote: Ok I will finally pipe in, If you are a good Geocacher, if you get within 25 feet of the cache you can find it, does not matter the tools, it is the skill of the cacher. For the Amateurs who actually need the GPS to find the cache I feel sorry for you. Denny Ford, Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of loranwilcox@chartermi.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:33 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Guy Aldrich Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s Still nice to have the Discriptions and Past Logs so I would give up on the PDA. Team Sand Dollar ---- Guy Aldrich wrote: > I have to say the Garmin 60CSX is the most accurate unit I've seen > under all conditions and I have a Magellan meridian and a explorist > 210. With that new Cirf chip it seems to get you to ground zero > quicker . The explorist 210 has the most bang for the buck,You really > don't need a PDA because it displays type of container,full > name,terrain,difficulty,date last found and the full hint. > > On 11/13/06, Brian Casteel wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't recall having problems like that in most cases. In fact, often > > times while sitting on my butt writing my cache log, I'll look over to the > > GPS and watch it flirt with 0' on a regular basis. If it happens to get no > > closer than 5' on a cache, I'd consider that quite excellent overall. > > Magellan has advantages over Garmin and likewise Garmin over Magellan. The > > most obvious between the 2 is the abundance of mapping software options > > Garmin has available to the very limited Magellan options. Of course, with > > the newer gen Garmin units, satellite acquisition is much better with the > > new SeRF chip. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On > > Behalf Of Cordell Harris > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 10:06 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Am I missing something - Magellen 200s > > > > > > > > > > OK Scott. Did I fail to mention that we have had the opportunity to compare > > the performance of (7) seven Magellan and Garmins against each other while > > doing something like 500 plus caches all over the US. In my original > > missive a forgot about the emap unit. The units we used are the Garmin > > Emap, 76CS, Etrex Legend, Etrex Legend Vista Cx. The 3 Magellans were all > > Sportrack Pros. We seem to keep dropping them! Maybe I should also note > > that none of the units failed operationally. Of all the Garmins the Etrex > > Legend is the best, e.g. sensititivy and accuracy. All the others have/had > > serious errors of 7 to 10 ft on the high resolution scale. These errors are > > consistent with caches that were placed by careful knowledgeable cachers. > > We have also had opportunity to compare waypoints established scientifically > > by standards. The 3 Magellan Sportrack Pros were all perfect replicas and > > were dead on. I am not hostile toward Garmin, but cannot ignore results. > > Both mapsource and mapsend topos (I have both) will allow exchange of > > waypoints but not maps. What I would like to be able to do is use Delorme > > topo maps (superior) in either or both brands of receivers with Garmin > > waypoint symbols. My backhand at Garmin is simply because they are the > > industry leaders in terms of sales and promotions and for now get to set the > > trend. Magellan Sportrack Pros are a great deal and very adequate for > > geocaching. I repeat my offer to trade the etrex legend vista Cx for a > > eXplorist 500. There is nothing wrong with the vista Cx except the offset > > mentioned above. > > > > > > On 11/13/06, Roping The Wind wrote: > > > > > > >From: "Cordell Harris" < cordh5@gmail.com > > > > > >Magellan has better, more user friendly receivers that are more sensitive > > >and accurate. If >unconvinced, try caching with the owner of a Magellan > > >Sportrack Pro. Presently, we own two >Garmins a etrex legend and an etrex > > >legend vista cx. > > > > The etrex line uses a patch antenna, which IMHO, is crap. Upgrade to the > > new > > 60CSX and you will probably never see anything more accurate. I do not > > beleive that you can compare two GPS units for accuracy on a single > > geocache > > or any geocache for that matter. The cache owner's coordinates could be off > > for one. Also, both your GPS units will give slightly different readings on > > where the cache is supposed to be. To find true accuracy, take a waypoint > > and mark it with your GPS. Of course, with any GPS, you have to leave it > > there for a few minutes for a most accurate reading (too many inexperienced > > cachers hide a cache, hit mark on their GPS and leave and dont allow the > > GPS > > to average location). Now, walk away a few hundred feet or more and then > > come back to ground zero and see where your GPS takes you. Do this with two > > units that you want to compare and see which one is most accurate. > > > > Of course, as Loran said, all GPS's these days are decently accurate. They > > will all take you to a waypoint and get you within 30 feet or less. Do the > > example above once and you will find that both GPS's did their job well > > enough. If you want to find truly which unit is better, with there still > > being slight errors in GPS's, you will still need to do the example above > > several times to average your results out to truly see which unit is > > better. > > Seems nit picky. Well it is... as I just said, all GPS's are accurate > > enough. Still, if you want a GPS for just geocaching or marking waypoints, > > then a patch antenna Etrex or a Magellan GPS Blazer 12 (now that is > > ancient! > > and I have one too) is all you need. If you want to mark a little hole in > > the ground that an ant just went in to and then come back a week later to > > find it... then you need to spend the bigger dollars for a unit with a 12 > > channel SiRFstar III high-sensitivity (WAAS-enabled) chip and built-in quad > > helix antenna, with external antenna connection (like the Garmin 60csX). > > Either units will get you to a geocache or any point for that matter. But > > the latter technology will, on average, get you to a specific point more > > consistantly. > > > > >Garmins are overpriced/overrated and as industry leaders don't like the > > >strangle hold they maintain >on proprietary mapping software. We badly > > >need mapping software that will function universally in >handhelds. > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt Magellan also use proprietary mapping > > software? (Mapsend). I could be wrong on this, but I beleive both Magellan > > and Garmin have their own specific mapping software that must be used for > > mapping. I think both brands will accept some other mapping software, but > > only for uploading and transfering of waypoints, tracks, etc and not maps. > > If you want maps in your unit, you have to use their own mapping software > > (Mapsend or Mapsource). > > > > Scott > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us &sour ce=hmtagline > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: This message is confidential, intended only for the named > > recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from > > disclosure under applicable law. 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