Last I checked, FTFs aren't tracked anywhere, since electronically there is no way to verify if without having the logsheet in-hand. Trisha had it right. There are bigger fish in this whole thing to worry about, rather than simple terminology variances. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Ross" To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the numbers. > > Couldn't agree with Bill more. I've taken the last few > minutes to "cool off" after reading your original post > but my hands are still shaking with the jump in blood > pressure. I obviously take this somewhat personal > since AZFastFeet and I enjoy going FTF hunting > together. It started when we were working together, we > would leave for caches together, drive there together, > search together, and find together. Being a mere > milisecond off from when one of us finds it to the > other makes no difference to us. So sorry if you think > this calls our WHOLE caching record in to question, > but just go ahead and audit us Cache Officer, I > thought you were one of the first cachers against > people trying to "police" others. And don't start > thinking it's all about the competition, if you want, > I'll stop recording what # of FTF it is for me. That's > really for more of my personal records anyways, but it > just helps to have it attached to the log that it > corresponds to. There's an added adrenaline rush in > finding a cache first, for me anyway. Seeing that > blank log, it's just a thrill. Not sharing the FTF > with the person(s) who I shared all that excitement > with is just wrong. > > > You keep caching your way, we'll keep caching ours. > > Jared > > --- Bill Nolan wrote: > >> Well, this is kind of why I don't log finds at all. >> The whole competitive >> numbers thing just doesn't float my boat. Suppose >> that I go out cachine >> today with a friend. We are in the same car. We >> are working together. We >> head for a cache, park the car, and hike to it >> together. (There will >> probably be a hike. I don't do urban caches.) We >> arrive there at the same >> time. You want us to maybe flip a coin? Well, no >> flipping way. We found >> it together. It is a co-find. I see nothing wrong >> with that. >> >> >> >> Bill in Willcox >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: >> az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com >> > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] >> On Behalf Of TEAM >> 360 >> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:12 PM >> To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com >> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the >> numbers. >> >> >> >> [rant] Now, just what in the heck is this garbage >> about "Co-FTF" or a >> "Shared FTF" I have been seeing on cache pages >> lately? Just when I thought I >> saw it all, another new way to inflate the numbers >> comes along. What a >> cheatin' way to pump up the FTF count!! >> >> >> >> Listen, there is NO such thing. The cacher who signs >> the logsheet FIRST >> should be the only one to claim the FTF. The other >> cacher is SECOND-TO-FIND. >> It is a fact of cache-finding that cannot be >> changed. >> >> >> >> Anyone claiming a "Co-FTF" or "Shared FTF" casts >> doubt on the rest of their >> caching record, in my opinion...of course, so do the >> people who hide caches >> under sock puppet accounts and then go claim a find >> on them, or people who >> claim finds because they simply "got close", or did >> maintenance on a cache >> and posted another find on it, etc, etc...the list >> goes on and on... [/rant] >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ >> Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe >> visit: >> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >> Arizona's Geocaching Resource >> http://www.azgeocaching.com >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com >