Couldn't agree with Bill more. I've taken the last few minutes to "cool off" after reading your original post but my hands are still shaking with the jump in blood pressure. I obviously take this somewhat personal since AZFastFeet and I enjoy going FTF hunting together. It started when we were working together, we would leave for caches together, drive there together, search together, and find together. Being a mere milisecond off from when one of us finds it to the other makes no difference to us. So sorry if you think this calls our WHOLE caching record in to question, but just go ahead and audit us Cache Officer, I thought you were one of the first cachers against people trying to "police" others. And don't start thinking it's all about the competition, if you want, I'll stop recording what # of FTF it is for me. That's really for more of my personal records anyways, but it just helps to have it attached to the log that it corresponds to. There's an added adrenaline rush in finding a cache first, for me anyway. Seeing that blank log, it's just a thrill. Not sharing the FTF with the person(s) who I shared all that excitement with is just wrong. You keep caching your way, we'll keep caching ours. Jared --- Bill Nolan wrote: > Well, this is kind of why I don't log finds at all. > The whole competitive > numbers thing just doesn't float my boat. Suppose > that I go out cachine > today with a friend. We are in the same car. We > are working together. We > head for a cache, park the car, and hike to it > together. (There will > probably be a hike. I don't do urban caches.) We > arrive there at the same > time. You want us to maybe flip a coin? Well, no > flipping way. We found > it together. It is a co-find. I see nothing wrong > with that. > > > > Bill in Willcox > > > > _____ > > From: > az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] > On Behalf Of TEAM > 360 > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:12 PM > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A new way to fake the > numbers. > > > > [rant] Now, just what in the heck is this garbage > about "Co-FTF" or a > "Shared FTF" I have been seeing on cache pages > lately? Just when I thought I > saw it all, another new way to inflate the numbers > comes along. What a > cheatin' way to pump up the FTF count!! > > > > Listen, there is NO such thing. The cacher who signs > the logsheet FIRST > should be the only one to claim the FTF. The other > cacher is SECOND-TO-FIND. > It is a fact of cache-finding that cannot be > changed. > > > > Anyone claiming a "Co-FTF" or "Shared FTF" casts > doubt on the rest of their > caching record, in my opinion...of course, so do the > people who hide caches > under sock puppet accounts and then go claim a find > on them, or people who > claim finds because they simply "got close", or did > maintenance on a cache > and posted another find on it, etc, etc...the list > goes on and on... [/rant] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com