Ok. Like I said, I mostly joined TC out of curiosity. You can't really see what is there until you are actually sponsored. And I am not excited by what I see so far. Yes, GC is a bit of a monopoly. But, it is open to find out what is going on even before signing up. (You can see what caches are there!). That also lets land managers search in their areas without "sponsorship". I do kinda have a bit of a problem with the idea that caches could be placed on TC and the land manager can't find out about it. (Can we cache in the McDowell Preserve?). I do have some problems with the new set of rules. I would like some way for moving caches to be allowed again. Reverse virtuals were cool (Yellow Jeep Fever). I love (and my family does) virtuals. The example given me by Artemis in the heart of DC of virtuals gone bad I think is a bad one. DC is the one place in the country where virtuals should go nuts! But, yes, they should be of some quality level. I do think the rules on density may be a bit too restrictive, but not by much. My real question is, how can we work from within GC to change some of this. If posting on a Forum the answer? Is Jeremy the "benevolent dictator"? Does he listen to our concerns, or has he made up his mind, and there is no appeal? I don't know the answer to this question. I do know we support GC with our subscriptions, and purchases (TB tags, etc.) and activity. It really is a good site, generally. And the programming does keep getting better. I do wish the site would open up to places like AZGC for local support. (Thanks AZGC for all you do!) I think your beef is with the tougher rules. Am I right? So, is there an appeals process? A virtual petition drive perhaps? What does Jeremy listen to? Steven Stringham StringCachers Guy Aldrich wrote: >I think Geocaching com the monopoly needs some competition!Do you disagree? > > >On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:42:19 -0700, Steven Stringham > wrote: > > >>Ok. There are TWO (2) caches in AZ. And 58 In Montana (Land of the COLD! >>Yeah, I know it's nice in the summer.). And I counted some 12 AZ cachers >>now members. Most (like myself I guess) out of curiosity. >> >>Thanks to AZJedi and Cacheless (and an offer from Guy!) for sponsorship. >>I did not take the immediate offer from the only one with terracaches in >>AZ (as soon as I signed on!) (not an AZ Cacher). >> >>The two AZ caches available will NOT be visited by me any time soon. >>They are both in Northern AZ, and I don't have plans that way in the >>coming months. So, if caches on this site are place, I guess they better >>be hidden by this bunch of 12. Also, both caches are virtuals. One on >>Navajo land, the other on the edge of the canyon. >> >>So, Guy. Why? Is it a desire to be able to place the caches without >>Artemis involvement? Or without Jeremy's rules? Is this in rebellion to >>the newer tougher stance coming out of Seattle. So, a rebellion is in >>order? (as I kinda stated in a previous post, which nobody seems to have >>addressed - whine, whine - any cheese available?). >> >>I did notice in the "rules" or agreement an absolute statement that >>sites like AZGC.com would not be able to harvest data from the site. I >>found that an interesting way to start out. >> >>Steven Stringham >>StringCachers >> >> >>Brian Casteel wrote: >> >> >> >>>Not letting Jeff off the hook, I wanted to add in something before >>>addressing Guy. When it's 125 and burning down there, it'll be a >>>breezy 85 or so up here. :) It's supposed to be 72 tomorrow. Guy, >>>did you happen to see where terracaching.com is based? >>> >>>Brian >>>Team A.I. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "AzRockhound" >>>To: >>>Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:52 PM >>>Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] http://www.terracaching.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>>>I logged on to TerraCaching to see what they were doing, got two >>>>sponsors >>>>without asking immediately. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com >>>>[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of >>>>Steven Stringham >>>>Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:18 PM >>>>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com; Guy Aldrich >>>>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] http://www.terracaching.com/ >>>> >>>>So, a number AZ Cachers starts to move on to Terracaching. It looks like >>>>about 1300 total members so far... I wonder how many caches? >>>> >>>>Anyone willing to sponsor me? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>____________________________________________________________ >> > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com