Land managers can, do and should monitor caches in other areas so that they know what they might expect to see in their area. If your neighbors' houses were getting broken into, would you leave your doors and windows open? It's unrealistic to believe that cachers are somehow more responsible/environmentally sensitive/etc in one area than another. Caches, and cachers, don't miraculously change when they cross state lines...or regions...or countries. In my opinion, we've gotten spoiled by having the azgeocaching.com site. Sure, it's given us all a bit of state pride and the competition can be fun (if you're in it for the numbers ;), but at the same time, it emphasizes the unrealistic idea that caches (and cachers) here in AZ are somehow different/more important/better than other caches (and cachers) out there. Just my two cents...Your mileage may vary...Yadda, yadda, yadda... LazyK - Dan "...logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - ??? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com To: listserv@azgeocaching.com; Artemis Approver Sent: 3/8/2005 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mo' bettah caches! See now this is what bugs us. We are penalized in this state because of what may happen in other states. This is why some think we need to have local control rather than one global place with sole control. I realize gc.com is looking out for everyone's best interest, by restricting things for us here, to avoid offending land managers in other states.