How eloquently put Bill ~ Team RED DOG Peaceloveandgoodhappinessstuff, Trust in God ~Namaste' >From: "EvilFISH" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban >caches >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:19:57 -0700 > >let me add hiding a cache with the intent of it being found.... > > >anyway > >back to work > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Nolan > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:53 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: forwarded forum post about micro/urban >caches > > > Ah yes, another controversy.. This is such an interesting group. >There are obviously many ways to enjoy this sport, but some participants >feel threatened if you choose to enjoy it in some other way than their >favorite. We have the Urban vs Rural, Micro vs Traditional, Hiders vs >Finders, and, of course, the Numbers People vs the No-Numbers People. I'm >sure many of you can think of others. Then we wonder why war is so common. > > > > I have experienced this firsthand. My wife and I choose not to log >caches, not because we think there is anything wrong with the numbers game, >but simply because we don't want to participate in that. When I mentioned >that on this list, I received several private emails (from people still >active here) that could only be described as abusive and threatening. Part >of that was because I was interviewed by a reporter from Phoenix who knew >me and knew I was active in the sport, and some here didn't think I had the >"numbers" to speak out like that. > > > > Then we made our second mistake. We placed a cache. It wasn't anything >special, but the emails it brought me were even worse than the first batch. > How dare I place a cache when my find numbers were so low? It was >obvious I didn't have the experience to actually place a cache. Well, I'm >a fast learner. The other ammo cans I bought are still sitting, fully >stocked, out in my storage shed. I didn't want to get any more nasty >emails. Too bad. We do a lot of 4-wheeling, and I have some good places >in mind. > > > > Geocaching is a great sport, accessible to people of all ages and levels >of physical ability. If it fails the test of time, it will be because of >people who think their way is the right way - the ONLY right way. > > > > So, we will continue to play, our way. We don't log our finds very >often, and we don't do urban caches. Since we choose to live 8 miles >outside a very small town, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we avoid >cities. We also quit hiding caches, so those of you here who jumped all >over us for the first one (you know who you are) - well, I'll give you a >win on that one. > > > > Bill > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Gale > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 5:21 AM > > > Next time you place a cache......let's get back to what made us want to >go > geocaching in the first place." > > > > I had to respond to this one. > > > > This article was written by someone who wants to return to the days >where only physically fit people have access to caches. Like it or not, >other people have become geocachers. Physically unfit people have >discovered an activity they can enjoy. I dont see why both cache types cant >co-exist? Ive seen some nice rural caches, as well as junky ones. Same with >urban caches > > > > "Again, lately I have really been enjoying the occasional cache I have >found > as I have been really only doing wilderness hiking caches around Sedona. > They are my kind of fun." > > > > Thats great Scott, but it is not my idea of fun. Feel free to play your >way. I cant do those kinds of caches. Ever since falling down stairs 12 yrs >ago, I have not had the mobility I used to have. I would like to continue >to play the game my way without feeling like an unwelcome outsider. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/