There has been "name-calling" unrelated to the Primerica thing. Trisha On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:03:03 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > Maybe I'm missing something, but when did name-calling enter the > picture as > a continuing problem? Ok, I agree that a few things said on the > listserv > about this Primerica/Ken thing were a bit jaded, but I'm not sure > name-calling went beyond perhaps one message. We can't control how > others > react, only ourselves. The anger shown over the last few days was > IMHO for > the most part, justified. Could another course of action have been > taken? > Sure. There are always at least two ways to go about doing things. > In many > cases, there are far more. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trisha" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Explanation and apology > > > > My 2 cents, which probably isn't even worth that! :-) : > > > > I agree with Brian. Business should be with the consent of everyone > > involved. Period. > > > > However, I also appreciate Highpointer's attempts to explain and > > apologize for what was done, (even if some people still have issues > > with what he has said and done in the past.) I also think that > > negative and disrespectful comments on a public list serve or on the > > public cache log pages are not appropriate and are downright mean, no > > matter how mad or slighted one might feel. It really shows someone's > > character (bad character) to flame or slam someone, no matter what > the > > circumstances, but that works BOTH ways. > > > > At some point, someone has to just let it go and decide not to lower > > themselves to that kind of behavior. Including Ken and his sometimes > > "obsessive" behavior in regards to caches, TB's etc (but hey, aren't > > we all somewhat obsessed to some extent about this "game"??) Maybe we > > should ALL lighten up and let it all drop, in the interests of taking > > the "high-road". What does continuing all the negativity accomplish > > but continuing to make people on "both sides" feel badly? > > > > Again, this does not excuse inappropriate behavior by Ken related to > > the phone call thing, (or anyone else for anything else) but he has > > apologized. And hopefully learned a valuable lesson. Now, each person > > can decide to accept that apology and move on, or hold a grudge and > > continue to be mean. Really, everyone, don't you think that purposely > > slamming someone and calling them names and making fun of them is > just > > as bad or worse than what Ken has done? > > > > I bet I'll get a backlash from saying what I just said, but I don't > > mind. If someone wants to continue to be mean and a "right fighter" > > instead of being forgiving and understanding, than that also shows > > what kind of person they are. > > > > Some may say that I don't know what I am talking about because I have > > not been on the receiving end of what some may call Ken's > > "inappropriate" behavior, but that is not true. On more than one > > occasion, he has questioned me, or subtley criticized me (without > > realizing it....meaning, he didn't do it on purpose) on something > > related to geocaching. I usually ignore it as it really isn't worth > > getting so upset about. But when I did feel slighted recently, I > > gently confronted him privately and he responded very appropriately. > > > > And, altho' I didn't get a "telemarketer" call generated from Ken's > > 'List", I DID get a call from Ken at 12:40 AM (after midnight) early > > this morning! He apologized and I forgave him. No grudges. > > > > Please be kind to one another, > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 May 2004 18:34:47 -0700, Brian Cluff wrote: > > > > > > > > ShadowAce wrote: > > > > I did not however know this was your listserv, since it appears > > to > > > be so > > > > and you are making rules on how we can communicate on the list, > > > please > > > > forgive me. I will hold all posts to myself. > > > > > > As the real owner of this mailing list I have gone through great > > > lengths to keep any Spam (unsolicited mail) off the list. I had > > never > > > imagined that anyone would take someones information that was given > > to > > > them in confidence off the list and try and use it for financial > > gain. > > > I can only say this makes me extremely unhappy. > > > I don't want to put my foot down and say NO business dealing with > > > ANYONE on the list, but it sounds from Ken's own explanation that > he > > > was > > > no more than a very casual acquaintance with Mr. Gecko and > shouldn't > > > have tried to have any business dealings with him at all. > > > Trust me, I know what it's like to have no money. I've personally > > > lived out of my car for a short time, and had to eat ramen for 3 > > meals > > > a > > > day for almost a year because I couldn't afford more than 50 cents > a > > > day > > > for food, and all I had was a microwave to cook with, when times > > were > > > "good", so beans and or rice were out of the question. (in hind > > sight, > > > I > > > guess I could have cooked rice in the microwave.). Being out of > > work > > > for a long time is no excuse to start to bend the rules of common > > > courtesy. > > > Anyway, I guess my point would be that you should ask permission > > > before trying to do any business with ANYONE, and you should only > > ask > > > permission of people you know. Writing to people on a mailing list > > > does > > > NOT count as knowing them! The people on this mailing list are > only > > > here for a few reasons and none of those reasons are to increase > ANY > > > of > > > our salaries... including mine. > > > > > > Brian Cluff > > > www.AzGeocaching.com > > > Team Snaptek > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com