Don't apologize as though it's anyone else's listserv but one operated by
azgeocaching.com, which has no more affiliation with Ken than it does to you
or me.  From what I gathered in his e-mail, it *did* sound as though he was
laying down the law with regards to content of the listserv, but it isn't
anyone's place to do so but Brian Cluff.  However, I understand what he was
getting at, which was that he feels content that could be construed as a
personal attack he felt was inappropriate.  To an extent, I agree.  Most
things should be kept out of the public eye, but debates on various subject
matters (on-topic as defined by Brian) should be allowed as long as they
stay within reason.  Issues like the Primerica stuff should be brought
public, in the event that other unsuspecting cachers might find themselves
being called for this character reference/insurance policy deal.  Until I
learned SquishyGecko was also involved, I was just going to leave the matter
private because I thought it was an isolated incident that I was going to
handle by...not handling it at all.

Do I think it may have become too personal?  Possibly.  But I fully
understand his anger about the whole situation, especially since he endured
the phone call and subsequent sales pitch.  Keeping this in mind, I can't
fault him for his anger.  Each person responds to things in their own unique
way, and SG (it's shorter) chose the way that was right for him.  Both my
wife and I were upset when we started getting numerous calls (I'm guessing
in the ballpark of 10-12 calls between home/cell).  We were even more so
when it was learned there was a sales pitch attached to the intent.

I am hoping that through this flurry of e-mails regarding the Primerica
situation that all calls stop, and any other cachers who were part of this
list are removed before being contacted by anyone for any type of reference
or sale.

Brian
Team A.I.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ShadowAce" <hunting@shakabruddah.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Explanation and apology


> Ken Akerman aka highpointer;
>
>   I am sorry for any harsh words said about you on your listserv. I
> understood you took it upon yourself to email cachers and correct them on
> wrongful behavior of travel bugs, caches, and anything else you thought
they
> needed educated on. I know I have recieved them also..
>
>   I did not however know this was your listserv, since it appears to be so
> and you are making rules on how we can communicate on the list, please
> forgive me. I will hold all posts to myself.
>
>   -=-=For everyone else=-=-
>
>  If you notice something my team or I should be informed of when it comes
to
> the privacy, or enjoyment held by geocachers, feel free to let me know via
> the list or direct emails..
>
>
> Shadowace and Crew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken
> Akerman
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 11:57 AM
> To: Listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Explanation and apology
>
>
> Arizona Geocachers,
>
>
> If anyone has a problem with me, then I recommend that they contact me
> directly.  Please do not
> send out your personal opinions about me or anyone else in the geocaching
> community to the entire
> distribution group.  Comments about caches, travel bugs, and other things
> directly related to
> geocaching are okay, but personal attacks are inappropriate and
> disrespectful.  If you would like
> to speak with me, then I will provide my cell phone number on request.  If
> you feel that it is not
> important enough for you to speak with me about it directly, then it is
not
> important enough for
> you to send it out to everyone on the distribution list.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
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