I agree with Trisha! Thanks Guy. :) Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Trisha Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 9:25 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise Rating Hey Guy, Don't think of it as "caving to peer pressure", think of it as responding to (hopefully) reasonable and logical suggestions! :-) I have dealt with this very issue on two of my currently active caches. For "Art ROCKS!" (GCHK6F) one can walk or "wheel" right up next to the cache, and I checked the pathway approach for barriers, so I made it a "1" on purpose. It's a beautiful and interesting setting so I wanted ALL to be able to enjoy it while getting a "find". I could have placed the cache just out of reach, (therefore making it a "1.5") but intentionally did not for those reasons. Similar with my "Is that what I THINK it is?" There were many places I could have hidden this just off trail/road and therefore not handicapped accessible, but I chose to make it available to all. It is also a "1". (My other caches are 1.5, 2, 2.2...depending) Thanks for being willing to listen, you are a great person and a great cacher! Evil, but great!! :-) Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:50:15 -0700 (PDT), GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > I edited the cache ,gave it a 2 terrain rating! > --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > > I agree with Trisha. I think it is better to be > > conservative than > > misleading. > > > > Andy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > > Behalf Of > > Trisha > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 5:54 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise Rating > > > > > > The terrain rating is supposed to be for the > > toughest part of the > > approach. > > > > I don't know about a 3, but it is NOT handicapped > > accessible if the > > wheelchair bound person can only get to within 50 > > feet. > > > > Why don't you just change it to a 2 or 1.5 and be > > done with it? There > > are a handful of physically handicapped (wheelchair, > > cane/mobility/short of breath) people who cache and > > can only do "1's". > > They expect it to be easy enough for wheelchair > > access. > > > > A 2 or 1.5 won't scare people off, just explain it > > in the description. > > > > Think about how you would feel if you were sitting > > in a wheelchair and > > tried to get your cache. Get it? I'm sure you would > > feel bad if you > > unintentionally ruined a handicapped cacher's day by > > the misleading > > rating. It's hard enough for some of them to get out > > at all. Of > > course, they are probably reading the logs and would > > realize that the > > rating is incorrect anyway. > > > > OK, 'nuff said. > > > > take care, > > Trisha > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:06:51 -0700 (PDT), GUY > > ALDRICH wrote: > > > > > > > > Your car should do the climbing!Then it's 400 feet > > of > > > flat road to within 50 feet of the cache!The last > > 50 > > > feet is a bushwack but ,it still no climb!So most > > of > > > it is a 1,now where the cache sits,it's a 3, > > uneven > > > unpaved the point is if I gave it a 3 rating > > people > > > would think you have climbing to do!I could do > > this > > > one in flipflops,for most other mountain trails I > > wear > > > good hiking boots!Now if you don't read the > > directions > > > and just bushwack,then it's a tough climb!! > > > > > > Guy > > > --- Trisha wrote: > > > > Hey Guy, > > > > > > > > How'rya doin'? > > > > > > > > Ahem....(butting in) Did you read Andy's note? > > > > Clayjar's rating system > > > > is not required, of course, but it does seem to > > be > > > > somewhat of a > > > > standard being used. > > > > > > > > Let's see. 1 = Handicapped ACCESSIBLE, terrain > > is > > > > likely to be PAVED, > > > > is relatively FLAT, and less than 1/2 mile. > > > > > > > > 2 = Terrain is generally along marked trails, > > there > > > > ARE NO STEEP > > > > ELEVATION changes or heavy undergrowth, less > > than 2 > > > > miles. > > > > > > > > Hm. > > > > > > > > I haven't been to this cache, but from the logs > > > > (some mention a short > > > > steep climb) it seems like bumping the terrain > > > > rating to at least a 2 > > > > might be more accurate and therefore avoid any > > > > confusion/complaints in > > > > the future. Pretty easy. Or, if there is a way > > to > > > > get within 50 feet > > > > without the steep climb, maybe a 1.5. > > > > > > > > Think. 50 feet might as well be 50 miles when > > you > > > > are wheelchair > > > > bound. "Accessible" logically means someone in a > > > > wheelchair can > > > > physically reach out and grab the cache. > > (/butting > > > > in) > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), GUY > > > > ALDRICH wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy IF you go the right way,you can use a > > > > wheelchair > > > > > to get within 50 ft of the cache!You must > > print > > > > out > > > > > and follow the cache page directions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > > > > > > According to Clayjar's rating system, 1 star > > for > > > > > > terrain = wheelchair > > > > > > accessible. Although the rating system is a > > > > > > suggestion, was it suitable for > > > > > > a wheelchair? :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > > > > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > SquishyGecko > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM > > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's > > Surprise > > > > > > (OUCH!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So on second thought, I decided to run up > > there > > > > this > > > > > > afternoon and grab it. > > > > > > Just got back from having a cactus > > surgically > > > > > > removed from my butt. Oh > > > > > > yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no > > parking, > > > > and > > > > > > a whole bunch of loose > > > > > > rocks and jumping cactus. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the > > > > following > > > > > > decrees: > > > > > > > > > > > > Never, ever will I again attempt to hike > > where > > > > there > > > > > > is no trail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban > > Graldrich > > > > > > cache. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a > > > > "quick > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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