Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a coincidence eh? so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? anyone know anything about this??? Thanks for any input.... AZJAMMIN