Yes Steve, I'm still around. You're right about the Degree Confluence Project being older than geocaching. I found the DCP before geocaching got started, and then found out about gps stash (the predecessor to geocaching) in July 2000. I thought both of these "sports" would be great activities for the scout troop I'm associated with. We were waiting for the weather to cool down before we finally hid the Table Mesa cache on Oct 8, 2000. It was a confluence that had not been officially visited so we got "two birds with one stone". By the way Steve. I was in the neighborhood of your business and it looked like it was emptied and closed. Is it still in operation? Bob __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/