To answer a few questions that have come up. 1. The road going in is dirt but as long as it is not rainning is passable with anything . I am takeing the trailer out. 2. I have planed on a cache that will stay there even tho there is caches near there. 3. Plan on adding more caches in the area or if some one wants to help they can. 4. If you will check GCE666 and near by caches you will find about 6 caches in that area . 5. I have not set a date yet as i need to talk to the people that run the place near the camp site. 6. This camp site has NO power but a great view. and lots to do . Patrick Brown PANDA77 Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ http://www.azgeocaching.com/ http://users.w3az.net/panda77/