> How lame! The very first geocache and no one bothered to preserve it! The > cache page has absolutely no legitimacy to it at all. You may not be aware that Dave Ulmer, who hid that first cache, renounced Geocaching about a month afterward. Three years later, his comments on why he quit seem rather prophetic: =============================================== From: "David J. Ulmer" Date: Mon Jun 12, 2000 10:45pm Subject: Problems with GeoCaching... You really don't see the problems with a sport until you get deeply involved in it. As the one that has placed the most stashes so far, I began to seethe problems that it created. Some of my stashes are placed on tree farms owned by a large corporation. They are not, No Trespassing areas but they are private property. I didn't think too much about it at first because woods is woods around here, and a cache bucket seems like a pretty benign thing. The problem I saw was with the published coordinates attached to an uninvited bucket attached to my name could some day cause trouble. Some corporate dude five years from now could decide to prosecute me for littering or something just for the fun of it. For that reason I've decided to remove the stash buckets but keep the coordinates that are interesting for another game.... =================== That may explain why the coordinates were munged and the cache archived. > There is no description either. There was no web site then, either. > Anyways, I might be going to Washington this summer and thought it would be > really cool to be able to find and sign the logbook on that very first cache! Well, you can always do this one: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=146 It's meant to "keep the flame alive" and it's only a few feet from Ulmer's original spot. > PS... Steve, how where you able to find those original coordinates? I don't remember. I once ran across a link to either the Usenet newsgroup (sci.geo.satellite-nav) where the original thread was posted, or an archive of same. I can't find the thread on the newsgroup now. But at the time I did record the waypoint in case we ever get back up that way. Steve Team Tierra Buena