So, conversely, the lower the difficulty and terrain, the less necessary it becomes to read the description? That doesn't hold because under that system, the cache would be marked easy and hence, I wouldn't know a bicycle was required. I don't want to speak for others, but I think the point being made by those that follow the existing system is that the higher rating does cause one to read the description more carefully. Perhaps it really is a 5 or maybe it needs some special equipment. The 5 rating signals the need for further investigation. A lower rating would put us out in the field before we discovered the need. Just my thoughts. CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Terry Hernlund Moot anyway. I think you misunderstand me. I'm not knocking the rating system, I'm simply saying that as difficulty AND terrain rating rise, you really ought to be reading the description. If you don't read the description on a 5-rated cache, you'll likely get as much enjoymentout of it as research you put in. None. -T. [General Bracket] ____________________________________________________________