--- gale and mike wrote: --------------------------------- Some caches may be in remote lands and you need a 4WD to drive to it, (hiking is possible, but the hike may be long), but most of us do not consider a 4WD vehicle to be special equipment, either. I don't believe that a bicycle is special equipment. Bicycles are pretty common and most people know how to ride them. It's not like scuba diving equipment or rock climbing equipment, which require training and knowledge to use. If you don't consider a 4WD or mountain bike as special equipment, then please note the need to use it on the cache page. Those of us who don't have either of those, like us, would appreciate knowing this in advance. Some of you already do note this, and we appreciate it very much. --------------------------------- I agree with this one, I DO consider a 4WD special equipment because I don't have one and not everybody does. I almost said something in one of my earlier posts when I was talking about bicycles too. Assumptions aren't the best way to rate a cache. ===== xWaterLilyx & RTF Team H20 Phoenix, AZ (Ahwatukee) Geocaching Site: http://www.geocities.com/xwaterlilyxrtf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com