RTW wrote:

And no, you don't need to do no freakin' puzzle crap to keep it safe, just be creative in how you design and hide the container.

Scott replied:

 Puzzle caches have become all the rage down here in the Tucson area, and while there have been a few of them that I have enjoyed, I have really lost interest in them.

Wily Javelina replied:

Hey, some of us enjoy creating and finding these 'freakin puzzle crap' caches. If you do not enjoy them, then do not try to find them, but do not knock them. I enjoy finding difficult caches that exploit the navigational, mathematical, surveying, and mapping aspect of geocaching. There is a lot more to GPS work than running around with GSPr blindly being a 'gadget man'. Those of us that create puzzle caches are only trying to expand the sport, and give the cacher another alternative.

My reply:

I agree with Wily Javelina. We like a variety of caches. Some days we want to do simple straightforward caches and some days we want a challenge. If you don't like them, then don't do them, but please don't try to stop anyone else from doing them. Or bash people for creating/finding them.