I paid the $30 for a membership to support geocaching.com. I have yet to hide a MO cache or find an MO cache...I have no desire nor do I like the concept. I am tired of hearing 'active cachers' crying about not having $30 to spend on a membership. If you do not want to buy one, don't. Quit making up excuses. Let us take for example the average cacher that goes out once a week drives All over Phoenix in their SUV with AC cranked full blast in 75-degree weather. $20 in gas, and lets throw in a coffee and bagel from Starbucks $5. GPS battery usage is going to be around 2$ per outing. That is $27 per full caching day (yes, I left out lunch and a lot of other stuff as well). Let's assume 4 outings per months, 12 months per year. That is 27*4*12 gives $1296 a year to geocache. A $30 membership is only 2.4% of that! If you can afford to geocache at the above rate then quit crying about being a poor boy. If $30 dollars is too much, you should be out looking for a job, not out caching. >>takes these days to keep your caches safe. And no, you don't need to do no >>freakin' puzzle crap to keep it safe, just be creative in how you design >>and hide the container. >Thank you. Puzzle caches have become all the rage down here in the Tucson >area, and while there have been a few of them that I have enjoyed, I have >really lost interest in them. I might go back to finding them again, but >probably not for the for seeable future. Hey, some of us enjoy creating and finding these 'freakin puzzle crap' caches. If you do not enjoy them, then do not try to find them, but do not knock them. I enjoy finding difficult caches that exploit the navigational, mathematical, surveying, and mapping aspect of geocaching. There is a lot more to GPS work than running around with GSPr blindly being a 'gadget man'. Those of us that create puzzle caches are only trying to expand the sport, and give the cacher another alternative. I personally get real tired of finding mint containers stuck to the bottom of park benches, or ammo cans placed 100 ft from the road in places that have no redeeming quality other than that there is a cache there. The assumption is that the pirate is some teenager out playing a joke. I don't think it is a teenager. He obviously has been doing this for a while. He is not a beginner, he found 9-caches in one day and his profile was set up quickly and professionally. Personally, I think he is a member of our geocaching community that subscribes to this mailing list and is fed up with all the nonsense that is being muttered and has decided to play a joke on all of us. This guy got the response that he was out to get. ARRRGHH. HAHAHAHAHAHA -Rob (Wily Javelina)