At 09:25 PM 5/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: >FREE to play this game) should not be able to find their members only >caches. SO... I propose making my next cache available only to those who >DONT have a charter membership. In other words, if you log a find on this >cache and you are a charter member, your log will be deleted. This will be >cleary stated in the cache description..... Since I know that you would actually not do this, as you mention later in your message, that would be one of the surest ways to make sure that I never find another cache. I have had a find log deleted, and it really upset me. I have even had a no find log deleted that upset me even worse. I am of the opinion that cache logs should not be allowed to be deleted by anyone other than the person who made the log, or the admins at geocaching.com. As I said, I had my log deleted from one of the downtwon urban Phoenix caches and the only reason I could ever get from the cache owner what they apparently didn't like me. >takes these days to keep your caches safe. And no, you dont need to do no >freakin' puzzle crap to keep it safe, just be creative in how you design >and hide the container. Thank you. Puzzle caches have become all the rage down here in the Tucson area, and while there have been a few of them that I have enjoyed, I have really lost interest in them. I might go back to finding them again, but probably not for the for seeable future. Scott scott@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com