IV>

Rand (RandMan)

DDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN= > -RIGHT: 0px">
50.4134.100" name=3DGENERATOR>

rial size=3D2>

>

size=3D2>. . . . I did have one thought, however. Instead of the us= > ual bickering exhibited on this list serve, perhaps we as a community cou= > ld band together to right this wrong. I know that I was looking for= > ward to visiting the Pushing Tin cache as I am familiar with the movie th= > at was referenced and would love to watch them coming in like that. = >

= > In all of the cases, I believe the cache cont= > ainer and log book are still in place. Now would it be possible for= > the memebers of this list serv, in the next couple of weeks, to visit th= > ese caches and restock them...whether we have been to the caches before o= > r not...if you've been there post a note, if not, log the cache. DIV>

=3DArial size=3D2>Leave an item or two, and not the usual divoted go= > lf ball, or chewed on Mc'D's toy, but something fairly decent, like a sti= > ll in box Hot Wheels car, neat key ring, etc...you know, dollar store ite= > ms.

V>If the 25% of this list serv who are regula= > r cachers would do this that would be about 40 - 45 cachers, I think.&nbs= > p; Even if each one only visits 1 cache and leaves an item, each cache wo= > uld have 5 items in them.

<= > /FONT>

Would this be a good = > idea? Is it possible for us to band together as a community to help= > out some neat caches, and people, rather than continue our usual bickeri= > ng?

V>I hope so. And I plan to visit these = > cache in the next 2 weeks to do exacly as I have said here. I invit= > e you all to do the same.

<= > /FONT>

Thanks,
= >

ial size=3D2>Joe

TeamBlunde= > r

= >

ltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BOR= > DER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
size=3D2>

OCKQUOTE>
> > ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C3124B.5D706500-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "gale and mike" > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 23:24:49 +0000 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >
>

I reported him to TPTB last night. Your idea about us restocking is fine, unless that vermin decides its fun to keep plundering the same caches over and over again. Or he decides to "graduate" to stealing the entire cache outright. It's going to be a question of who gives up first: him or us. I wonder if he knows that several cachers are in law enforcement? That may scare him off.
>

>
Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"
>
>

>
>
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898
>
>
>
>
>From: "RAND HARDIN" >
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >
>To: "AZ-Geocaching" >
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates >
>Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:42:19 -0700 >
> >
>I agree with Joe. In a way, these caches belong to all of us. We are a community and we should take care of each other. Thanks Joe for reminding us. >
> >
>Rand (RandMan) >
> >
>. . . . I did have one thought, however. Instead of the usual bickering exhibited on this list serve, perhaps we as a community could band together to right this wrong. I know that I was looking forward to visiting the Pushing Tin cache as I am familiar with the movie that was referenced and would love to watch them coming in like that. >
> >
>In all of the cases, I believe the cache container and log book are still in place. Now would it be possible for the memebers of this list serv, in the next couple of weeks, to visit these caches and restock them...whether we have been to the caches before or not...if you've been there post a note, if not, log the cache. >
> >
>Leave an item or two, and not the usual divoted golf ball, or chewed on Mc'D's toy, but something fairly decent, like a still in box Hot Wheels car, neat key ring, etc...you know, dollar store items. >
> >
>If the 25% of this list serv who are regular cachers would do this that would be about 40 - 45 cachers, I think. Even if each one only visits 1 cache and leaves an item, each cache would have 5 items in them. >
> >
>Would this be a good idea? Is it possible for us to band together as a community to help out some neat caches, and people, rather than continue our usual bickering? >
> >
>I hope so. And I plan to visit these cache in the next 2 weeks to do exacly as I have said here. I invite you all to do the same. >
> >
>Thanks, >
> >
>Joe >
>TeamBlunder >

Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:33:16 -0700 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > From: Scott Wood > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > At 11:24 PM 5/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > > >I reported him to TPTB last night. Your idea about us restocking is fine, > >unless that vermin decides its fun to keep plundering the same caches over > >and over again. Or he decides to "graduate" to stealing the entire cache > >outright. It's going to be a question of who gives up first: him or us. I > >wonder if he knows that several cachers are in law enforcement? That may > >scare him off. > > You raise an interesting point. Exactly what crime has been committed > here? It would be really hard to call this theft when it comes right down > to it. None of the items are of any real value, and they are things that > people have intentionally left out for other people to take. > > > > Scott > > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:35:53 -0700 > From: Brian Cluff > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > With all the talk about the cache pie-rat I though I would point out > that they, whoever they are, are leaving everything of any value behind. > The stuff they are taking is stuff that I would throw away if I were > spring cleaning. > As long as my log books are intact, I don't think it's a huge loss, and > I might not ever restock it, and let it be a log only cache with the > possibility of leaving stuff if you wanted to. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:53:12 -0700 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > From: Scott Wood > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > At 04:35 PM 5/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >With all the talk about the cache pie-rat I though I would point out that > >they, whoever they are, are leaving everything of any value behind. The > >stuff they are taking is stuff that I would throw away if I were spring > >cleaning. > >As long as my log books are intact, I don't think it's a huge loss, and I > >might not ever restock it, and let it be a log only cache with the > >possibility of leaving stuff if you wanted to. > > I agree. I find much greater pleasure in signing the logbook, and leaving > our signature keychains than I do in finding anything in a cache. > > > > Scott > > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Terry Hernlund" > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:52:49 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Unfortunately that's probably what Morty is thinking, and as such thinks > everyone else will find it funny. > > We're not ammused Morty. > > > > > > >From: Brian Cluff > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > >Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 16:35:53 -0700 > > > >With all the talk about the cache pie-rat I though I would point out that > >they, whoever they are, are leaving everything of any value behind. The > >stuff they are taking is stuff that I would throw away if I were spring > >cleaning. > >As long as my log books are intact, I don't think it's a huge loss, and I > >might not ever restock it, and let it be a log only cache with the > >possibility of leaving stuff if you wanted to. > > > >Brian Cluff > >Team Snaptek > > > >____________________________________________________________ > >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource > >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "gale and mike" > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:32:38 +0000 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >
>
"You raise an interesting point. Exactly what crime has been committed here? It would be really hard to call this theft when it comes right down to it. None of the items are of any real value, and they are things that people have intentionally left out for other people to take. "

>
>

No he is not commiting a crime, which is why I did not suggest charging him with crimes. However he does seem to be abusing the privileges of the website and he upset at least one new Arizona cacher who wrote on the forums last night that their family loves this sport and now some creep has to spoil it. They seemed quite upset. All I did was ask TPTB to check him out. I seem to recall hearing that they've limited someone's access to the website for doing this before. Since there is no crime, and you don't care about the McToys, would you prefer all geocachers ignore what he is doing? And since when does something have to be a crime before it is considered unacceptable behavior? What ever happened to good manners? What's the difference between plundering a cache and stealing the ammo can, leaving the only the logbook behind? Some of you are upset when that happens, yet they can be replaced for only a few dollars.
>

Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Andrew Ayre" > To: > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:45:42 -0700 > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C31264.FBBEC940 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Personally I think this kind of thing goes with Geocaching. You don't hear > of people who take up skateboarding complaining of grazed knees and how it > has totally spoilt it for them. Leaving things lying around for whatever > reason invites people to take them. Accept it and have fun with Geocaching. > If you don't like it then just seek caches. You cannot exclude the people > who are selfish, rude, childish and inconsiderate from a public activity > unfortunately. > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of gale and > mike > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:33 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > > > "You raise an interesting point. Exactly what crime has been committed > here? It would be really hard to call this theft when it comes right down to > it. None of the items are of any real value, and they are things that people > have intentionally left out for other people to take. " > > > > > No he is not commiting a crime, which is why I did not suggest charging > him with crimes. However he does seem to be abusing the privileges of the > website and he upset at least one new Arizona cacher who wrote on the forums > last night that their family loves this sport and now some creep has to > spoil it. They seemed quite upset. All I did was ask TPTB to check him out. > I seem to recall hearing that they've limited someone's access to the > website for doing this before. Since there is no crime, and you don't care > about the McToys, would you prefer all geocachers ignore what he is doing? > And since when does something have to be a crime before it is considered > unacceptable behavior? What ever happened to good manners? What's the > difference between plundering a cache and stealing the ammo can, leaving > the only the logbook behind? Some of you are upset when that happens, yet > they can be replaced for only a few dollars. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -- > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching > mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or > unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's > Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C31264.FBBEC940 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > >
class=3D593534100-05052003>Personally I think this kind of thing goes = > with=20 > Geocaching. You don't hear of people who take up skateboarding = > complaining of=20 > grazed knees and how it has totally spoilt it for them. Leaving things = > lying=20 > around for whatever reason invites people to take them. Accept it and = > have fun=20 > with Geocaching. If you don't like it then just seek caches. You cannot = > exclude=20 > the people who are selfish, rude, childish and inconsiderate from a = > public=20 > activity unfortunately.
>

>
Andy

>
>
face=3DTahoma=20 > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
From:=20 > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = > gale=20 > and mike
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:33 PM
To:=20 > listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = > Cache=20 > Pirates

>
>
>
"You raise an interesting point. Exactly what crime has been = > committed=20 > here? It would be really hard to call this theft when it comes right = > down to=20 > it. None of the items are of any real value, and they are things that = > people=20 > have intentionally left out for other people to take. = > "

>
>

No he is not commiting a crime, which is = > why I did=20 > not suggest charging him with crimes. However he does seem to be = > abusing the=20 > privileges of the website and he upset at least one new Arizona cacher = > who=20 > wrote on the forums last night that their family loves this sport and = > now some=20 > creep has to spoil it. They seemed quite upset. All I did was = > ask TPTB=20 > to check him out. I seem to recall hearing that they've limited = > someone's=20 > access to the website for doing this before. Since there is no crime, = > and you=20 > don't care about the McToys, would you prefer all geocachers ignore = > what he is=20 > doing? And since when does something have to be a crime before it is=20 > considered unacceptable behavior? What ever happened to good manners? = > What's=20 > the difference between plundering a cache and stealing the ammo = > can, =20 > leaving the only the logbook behind? Some of you are upset when that = > happens,=20 > yet they can be replaced for only a few dollars.
>

>
> Protect your PC - Click = > here for=20 > McAfee.com VirusScan Online=20 > ____________________________________________________________ = > Az-Geocaching=20 > mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe = > or=20 > unsubscribe visit:=20 > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching = > Arizona's=20 > Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com = >
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C31264.FBBEC940-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:20:33 -0700 > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > From: Scott Wood > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cache Pirates > Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > --=====================_100825499==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 12:32 AM 5/5/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > > >I seem to recall hearing that they've limited someone's access to the > >website for doing this before. Since there is no crime, and you don't care > >about the McToys, would you prefer all geocachers ignore what he is doing? > >And since when does something have to be a crime before it is considered > >unacceptable behavior? What ever happened to good manners? What's the > > I think you must have missed the message I was replying to. It was said > that a number of the Arizona geocaching community was law > enforcement. That made me wonder just what law enforcement would do about > this. The fact remains though, that since there is no crime, and there is > nothing of any real value taken, then this is not an issue for any level of > law enforcement, as was suggested in the message I replied to. Do I think > we should just ignore this, no, but on the other hand I am not really sure > what can be done about it. > > > > Scott > > scott@myblueheaven.com > www.myblueheaven.com > > --=====================_100825499==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > At 12:32 AM 5/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>
>
I seem to > recall hearing that they've limited someone's access to the website for > doing this before. Since there is no crime, and you don't care about the > McToys, would you prefer all geocachers ignore what he is doing? And > since when does something have to be a crime before it is considered > unacceptable behavior? What ever happened to good manners? What's > the

> I think you must have missed the message I was replying to. It was > said that a number of the Arizona geocaching community was law > enforcement. That made me wonder just what law enforcement would do > about this. The fact remains though, that since there is no crime, > and there is nothing of any real value taken, then this is not an issue > for any level of law enforcement, as was suggested in the message I > replied to. Do I think we should just ignore this, no, but on the > other hand I am not really sure what can be done about it.

>
>
>
Scott
>
>
scott@myblueheaven.com
>
www.myblueheaven.com
> > > --=====================_100825499==_.ALT-- > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > End of Az-Geocaching Digest > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----