Personally I am torn about registering. The impression I have gotten over the last year and a half of the people who run the geocaching.com web site is not very favourable (which I won't go into here), however I get a great deal or fun out of the site. I don't like giving money to people I don't think I like, but I see that running a web site for free is hard/impossible. So I've been stuck in this quandry ever since the "charter membership" thing appeared. I guess if they turned around and said "we are going to implement X, Y and Z to make it easier for handicap people to gague the real accessiblity of a cache" (of which I have posted ideas on the site in the past) then that would definately give me a big enough push to register. As for anything else, I don't know... Sigh.... Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Bill Tomlinson Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:56 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Andy, It would take a bit of work, but I would think that you could re-log all of your old finds with your new name and then delete the old finds. Geocaching lets you specify the find date, so you would still have an accurate history. As for geocaching.com, I doubt that the issue is hoarding data or bandwidth. Both of those are already irrelevant because data is being grabbed by many crawlers already and that isn't a terribly efficient mechanism. I'm willing to bet that the issue is simply resources. Design and implementation of a system that all would be happy with could be a very difficult task. Look how long it's taken just to change the numbering scheme. And that's a time critical issue. I imagine of more people were willing to register we would see much better services in exchange. Personally, I don't much care if people choose register. We just need to be aware of the implications of those decisions. I chose to register because I'm interested in seeing new features like this. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Ayre Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 10:06 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods I don't think the problem is so much MO caches as the fact that geocaching.com appears IMO to want to horde the data and not share it with sites like azgeocaching.com by providing a backdoor entry into specific sections of the database. I cannot see how providing access to the AZ only caches would cause a problem for geocaching.com (in terms of rivalry worries, etc - I'm sure it would increase the bandwidth used). We recently changed our name from "Groover" to "Team Spike". This has completely messed up our team stats on the azgeocaching.com site, as it relies on reading cached pages. Well, archived caches never get their pages re-cached, therefore those caches will eternally be attributed to "groover" on azgeocaching.com, wheras the actual data in the geocaching.com database must be correct. As a result I've resorted to making a copy of all log entries on my own web site, so at least I have a copy of my own data that I can manipulate in my own database and know it is always correct and accurate. Unfortunately I don't have time to write code to generate graphs and other wonderful stuff that can be found on azgeocaching.com. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Scott Nicol Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods Ok. I don't usually fuss with much, but this one definetly irritates me. I am one of those 'numbers' cachers. I do enjoy looking at the stats and the numbers (for my own pleasure of course, not for competitive purposes). I am a bit annoyed that 9 of my in state cache finds now show up as out of state. This is the result of 8 AZ caches becoming 'members only' caches. These are caches that previously (when I found them), where not MO. What happens is that the AZgeocaching.com site is not a member, therefore it doesnt crawl the MO cache pages. (that is what I have heard anyways). At any rate, the AZ stats doesnt recognize Arizona MO caches and they show up in the out of state file. (anyone who knows me knows that I have 0 out of state finds and probably always will!). I personally beleive that if a cache is started out as a 'free' cache, it should remain that way for the life of the cache. If someone chooses to make their caches members only, they should do so with only the new caches that they place and not turn all their old caches into MO caches. I know Highpointer recently commented on this on the listserve a few days ago and that he was going to change his caches over to MO. I understand his views on the subject. However, Highpointer...I feel you should keep your old caches open to all and if you want members only, perhaps only turn your new ones into MO. The other problem I have with old caches changing into MO... I no longer can look back on those caches and read my logs (diary if you will) of my experiences at those caches (as I am not a member of geocaching.com; that is a whole nuther' thread, I am sure!). I hope Highpointer will reconsider changing his old caches back to non-MO. I have always enjoyed doing Highpointer's caches, he hides some good ones. I also very much appreciate his seeking my cache on Stewart Mountain and the comments he left there. I think me and Highpointer share many of the same views on geocaching and enjoy doing the same types of caches. I guess I will not be able to do anymore of Highpointer's caches as I am not a member of geocaching.com. However, I have no problem with his making his new caches MO, Members Only caches are available as an option to members of geocaching.com and that is an option that is available to him to use if he chooses to. I just wish he would reconsider and keep his older caches open to all. Scott Team Ropingthewind >From: Brian Cluff >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the Caching gods >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:12:21 -0700 > >Yes, if caches are being moved to members only that were previously >available to anyone, they will show up as out of state. > >Brian Cluff >Team Snaptek > >Regan Smith wrote: > >>Would the new out of state finds be a result of the Member Only >>Caches? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com