how can i unsubscribe from this list At 10:30 AM 1/28/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to > az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (Eric Quinn) > 2. Re: TB airport hotels/motels (Eric Quinn) > 3. RE: TB at airports (Dennis Wodarz) > 4. RE: TB at airports (Dennis Wodarz) > 5. Re: TB airport hotels/motels (Team Cache-Quest) > 6. For the gods first, then anyone else (Regan Smith) > 7. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (Mike Ingoglia) > 8. Re: For the gods first, then anyone else (Brian Cluff) > 9. Re: The "Most Unsecure" OS (trisha@brasher.com) > 10. Re: For the gods first, then anyone else (trisha@brasher.com) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:23:56 -0800 (PST) >From: Eric Quinn >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >Adding the same alert for several different >distributions multiple times certainly increases the >count. The problem is that "Linux" is just the kernel. >The vast majority of holes, are in the non-kernel >components. Finally, I would believe a Linux article >from Winformant as much as I would a Windows article >from a Linux source. > >Eric >Team Dragon > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:36 -0800 (PST) >From: Eric Quinn >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >--- Heather Drake wrote: > > > PS I've already emailed Gerhard to see if the cache > > is within walking > > distance. If so, I'll go after it! > >Every taxi I've been in offered hourly rates, in case >there's a bit of a hike. I've loved being in a foreign >country with a GPS hanging out the window of a taxi, >giving driving directions. > >Have a good time but make sure you look at the line >coming back in, before you leave. You don't want to >miss the flight. > >Eric >Team Draon > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Dennis Wodarz" >To: , >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:42 -0700 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: TB at airports >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >I knew there was a travel bug exchange type cache at O'hare but I didn't >know about the one in Frankfurt. I'll have to check it out next time I >fly there. I'm assuming it's a little bit of a drive by the description >and a little bit too far to walk but maybe the cache owners will advise >you otherwise. Good luck in Germany and your other destinations. > >BTW I speak fluent German in case someone else needs logs or cache >descriptions translated. > >FroBro D-Dubs > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: "Dennis Wodarz" >To: , >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:51:42 -0700 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: TB at airports >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >I knew there was a travel bug exchange type cache at O'hare but I didn't >know about the one in Frankfurt. I'll have to check it out next time I >fly there. I'm assuming it's a little bit of a drive by the description >and a little bit too far to walk but maybe the cache owners will advise >you otherwise. Good luck in Germany and your other destinations. > >BTW I speak fluent German in case someone else needs logs or cache >descriptions translated. > >FroBro D-Dubs > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: "Team Cache-Quest" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:26:03 -0700 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >I had an interesting experience at a bug hotel cache in Barcelona a couple >weeks ago. > >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=46668 > >This cache is literally right at the airport hidden in a parking garage. I >was the first to visit it and it made me a little nervous considering the >location and increased security at airports. It made me even more nervous >that there was a person hanging out with a pair of binoculars at the cache >location when I got there on the day I arrived. He had luggage with him and >he appeared to be watching planes take off and land. I waited for about half >and hour and finally went to my hotel. He was still there as I drove away >in the taxi. > >I arrived at the airport early on the day I left and went to the cache >location. The area was deserted and I was able to find and log the cache. >Unfortunately the travel bugs were headed east and I was headed west, so I >didn't pick one up. > >Jerry (Cache-Quest) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Drake" >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:31 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] TB airport hotels/motels > > > > Hiya folks, > > > > I thought you'd get a kick outta this one (I did). On my way to Istanbul > > this Wednesday/Thursday, I'll be flying through Frankfurt am Main and > > thought I'd see if there were any caches around the airport that I could >go > > after during my three hour layover. Well, as it turns out, there's a >travel > > bug motel near the airport! Haha, geocachers around the world have the >same > > idea! You can check it out at > > >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?pf=&ID=47580&decrypt=y&log > > = > > > > Amusedly, > > Heather (aka Darsantre in her log sigs) > > > > PS I've already emailed Gerhard to see if the cache is within walking > > distance. If so, I'll go after it! > > > > *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* > > I am NOT addicted to geocaching. I can > > stop at any time. Geocaching is not a > > way of life for me. I donšt need to > > geocache every day. I can drive past a > > known geocache location without > > stopping to search for it. I am NOT > > addicted to geocaching. Really. > > http://www.geocaching.com/ > > ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Regan Smith" >To: >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:29:41 -0700 >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2C6A7.67A06C40 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >On the Stats: > >What would happen if a cacher was to log more than 1 find on the same = >cache? > >Reason being I was pondering a true multi cache that has one set of = >coords but two or more different cache containers..with each container = >being a find.. > >Then I was also pondering renting a vehicle that comes with unlimited = >miles and doing a day of caching, I currently have over (a large number) = >of caches on my to do list mostly in the areas of the San Tans along = >Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a few of the caches located = >around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone interested in joining on = >like a Thursday???? > > > > > >------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2C6A7.67A06C40 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >On the Stats: > >What would happen if a cacher was to = log more than=20 1 find on the same >cache? > >Reason being I was pondering a = true multi=20 cache that has one set of >coords but two or more different cache=20 containers..with each container >being a find.. > >Then I was also pondering renting a = vehicle that=20 comes with unlimited >miles and doing a day of caching, I currently have=20 over (a large >number) of caches on my to do list mostly in the = areas=20 of the San >Tans along Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a = few of the=20 >caches located around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone = interested >in=20 joining on like a Thursday???? > > > > > > >------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C2C6A7.67A06C40-- > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Mike Ingoglia" >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:20:17 -0700 >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0392_01C2C6AE.79315300 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >MessageThis is why the Internet was pretty much founded on BSD based = >UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like. BSD based = >systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX still account = >for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. Yahoo! is run on = >FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers = >(they're slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan = >runs on FreeBSD, Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs = >on FreeBSD... just to through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX. = >If my numbers are still correct, an Apache web server still (although = >just barely) has more installs then all the other web server combined (I = >believe it's around 50% of all web servers run UNIX based Apache). = >Also, in defense of LINUX and the other open source projects one thing = >you have to keep in mind is in mixed environments the UNIX system is = >usually the one that's outside the firewall or on DMZ networks... it's = >pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone to direct attacks. = >It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then it's = >Microsoft counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over = >Windows NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open = >ports, routing, etc it still has a lot of proving itself to do. > >All this is coming from one of the first MCSE's... I was Microsoft = >certified before the rage of becoming certified. Many companies out = >there have tried to jump on the bandwagon offering classes that = >basically allows you to memorize the questions... also, the tests are = >exponentially easier then they were originally (the Windows 3.1 test was = >probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you can = >believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm = >pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a hobby of = >mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network = >troubleshooting, etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver = >in another window of my computer right now (and... my desktop computer = >is running Windows XP... although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with = >strict firewall security)! I'm also one of the few people that have = >been successful in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable = >(maybe Brian Lafrance, my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, = >and our database programmer might disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft = >IIS server we run at the office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!! > >Mike >Team Leaplab > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Team Tierra Buena=20 > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS > > > According to this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a = >penguin involved: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428 > > The real point being, nobody's safe these days. > > Steve > Team Tierra Buena >------=_NextPart_000_0392_01C2C6AE.79315300 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >This is why the Internet was pretty = much founded on=20 BSD based >UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX = like. =20 BSD based >systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX = still=20 >account for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. = Yahoo! is >run=20 on FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers >= (they're=20 slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony >Japan runs on = FreeBSD,=20 Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the >world) runs on FreeBSD... just = to=20 through this in, I believe Google >runs on LINUX. If my numbers are = still=20 correct, an Apache web server >still (although just barely) has more = installs=20 then all the other web >server combined (I believe it's around 50% of all = web=20 servers run >UNIX based Apache). Also, in defense of LINUX and the = other=20 open >source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed = >environments=20 the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the >firewall or on DMZ = networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and >therefore more prone to = direct=20 attacks. It is my opinion that UNIX >is held to a higher standard = then it's=20 Microsoft >counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over = Windows=20 NT >when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open ports, = routing, >etc=20 it still has a lot of proving itself to do. > >All this is coming from one of the = first=20 MCSE's... I was Microsoft >certified before the rage of becoming=20 certified. Many companies out >there have tried to jump on the = bandwagon=20 offering classes that >basically allows you to memorize the questions... = also,=20 the tests are >exponentially easier then they were originally (the = Windows 3.1=20 test >was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you = >can=20 believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell = >I'm=20 pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a = >hobby of=20 mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, >network = troubleshooting,=20 etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 >webserver in another = window of=20 my computer right now (and... my >desktop computer is running Windows = XP...=20 although it's behind my >Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall=20 security)! I'm also one of the >few people that have been = successful=20 in getting a Microsoft webserver >to be very reliable (maybe Brian = Lafrance,=20 my coworker, >co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, and our database = programmer=20 might >disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft IIS server we run = at the=20 office >has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!! > >Mike >Team Leaplab > >----- Original Message ----- >Team Tierra Buena = >To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20 >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 = 6:08=20 PM >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The = "Most=20 Unsecure" OS > > >http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=3D27428 > >The = real point=20 being, nobody's safe these days. > >Steve >Team = Tierra=20 Buena > > >------=_NextPart_000_0392_01C2C6AE.79315300-- > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:23:06 -0700 >From: Brian Cluff >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Regan Smith wrote: > > > What would happen if a cacher was to log more than 1 find on the same > > cache? > >I believe the stats would count it, no problem. We had to leave it >counting multiple finds because of caches that can move and literally be >found more than once. Finding your own cache is what causes the stats >to start subtracting. Although Jason has a legitimate find out our >Fremont Saddle cache, because someone decided to play a joke on us and >moved it from it's origional hiding place. >I just wish the site could figure out easily the people that place a >cache together and then the team that isn't the one that logged in to >input the cache on the site claims a find on the cache. I've quite a >few examples of that, and I still don't under stand how they can claim a >"find" on something that was never "lost" to them. :) > >Brian Cluff >Team Snaptek > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >From: trisha@brasher.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:48:38 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > ....huh?... > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Mike Ingoglia" wrote: > > >Message > > > > > >This is why the Internet was pretty much founded on >BSD based UNIX. Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like. >BSD based systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX >still >account for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet. Yahoo! >is run >on FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers >(they're >slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan runs >on FreeBSD, >Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs on FreeBSD... >just to >through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX. If my numbers are >still >correct, an Apache web server still (although just barely) has more >installs >then all the other web server combined (I believe it's around 50% of >all web >servers run UNIX based Apache). Also, in defense of LINUX and the >other >open source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed >environments >the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the firewall or on >DMZ >networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone >to direct >attacks. It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then >it's >Microsoft counterparts. Although Microsoft took a huge step over >Windows >NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open ports, >routing, etc >it still has a lot of proving itself to do. > >All this is coming from one of the first >MCSE's... I was Microsoft certified before the rage of becoming >certified. Many companies out there have tried to jump on the >bandwagon >offering classes that basically allows you to memorize the >questions... also, >the tests are exponentially easier then they were originally (the >Windows 3.1 >test was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if >you can >believe that!). I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm >pretty much a Microsoft focused person. UNIX has always been a hobby >of >mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network >troubleshooting, >etc. In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver in another >window of >my computer right now (and... my desktop computer is running Windows >XP... >although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall >security)! I'm also one of the few people that have been successful >in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable (maybe Brian >Lafrance, >my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, and our database >programmer >might disagree :-) ). FYI: The Microsoft IIS server we run at the >office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!! > >Mike >Team Leaplab > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Team Tierra Buena > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08 > PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most > Unsecure" OS > > According to > this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a penguin > involved: > > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=27428 > > The real point > being, nobody's safe these days. > > Steve > Team Tierra > Buena > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Although no one can go back and >make a brand new start, >Anyone can start from now and >make a brand new ending." >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: trisha@brasher.com >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] For the gods first, then anyone else >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >Regan >I am not sure how you can do a true multi with only one cache page and >people log multiple finds, I guess according to Brian that can be >done, you would just have to monitor the page and logs carefully to be >sure they are logging the correct number and location of your caches. >I just put out a puzzle cache that is kinda a multi because you need >to find a separate cache that contains a clue to the puzzle. I have a >separate page for that cache. Is a multi-variant I suppose. Like >everything else....it can vary!~ >have fun on your cache run, I'd go if I lived closer, >Trisha "Lightning" >Prescott > > >On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Regan Smith" wrote: > > > > > > > > > >On the Stats: > >What would happen if a cacher was to log more than >1 find on the same cache? > >Reason being I was pondering a true multi >cache that has one set of coords but two or more different cache >containers..with each container being a find.. > >Then I was also pondering renting a vehicle that >comes with unlimited miles and doing a day of caching, I currently >have >over (a large number) of caches on my to do list mostly in the areas >of the San Tans along Apache Trail, the Lower Salt River, then a few >of the >caches located around Pagago Park,in Scottsdale etc... anyone >interested in >joining on like a Thursday???? > > > > > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >"Although no one can go back and >make a brand new start, >Anyone can start from now and >make a brand new ending." >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list >listserv@azgeocaching.com >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > >End of Az-Geocaching Digest