....huh?... On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, "Mike Ingoglia" wrote: Message This is why the Internet was pretty much founded on BSD based UNIX.  Remember, LINUX isn't really UNIX, it's UNIX like.  BSD based systems are tried and true and with other flavors of UNIX still account for the majority of the Web servers on the Internet.  Yahoo! is run on FreeBSD servers, Hotmail (yes Microsoft) runs on FreeBSD servers (they're slowly trying to change this... bad P.R., you know), Sony Japan runs on FreeBSD, Walnut Creek (the busiest FTP site in the world) runs on FreeBSD... just to through this in, I believe Google runs on LINUX.  If my numbers are still correct, an Apache web server still (although just barely) has more installs then all the other web server combined (I believe it's around 50% of all web servers run UNIX based Apache).  Also, in defense of LINUX and the other open source projects one thing you have to keep in mind is in mixed environments the UNIX system is usually the one that's outside the firewall or on DMZ networks... it's pretty much out in the wind and therefore more prone to direct attacks.  It is my opinion that UNIX is held to a higher standard then it's Microsoft counterparts.  Although Microsoft took a huge step over Windows NT when it introduced RRAS with regards to controlling open ports, routing, etc it still has a lot of proving itself to do.   All this is coming from one of the first MCSE's...  I was Microsoft certified before the rage of becoming certified.  Many companies out there have tried to jump on the bandwagon offering classes that basically allows you to memorize the questions... also, the tests are exponentially easier then they were originally (the Windows 3.1 test was probably one of the most difficult Microsoft has made... if you can believe that!).  I first became certified in 1994 so you can tell I'm pretty much a Microsoft focused person.  UNIX has always been a hobby of mine and something I've always used for DNS, firewalls, network troubleshooting, etc.  In fact, I'm building a new Apache 2.0 webserver in another window of my computer right now (and... my desktop computer is running Windows XP... although it's behind my Cisco PIX firewall with strict firewall security)!  I'm also one of the few people that have been successful in getting a Microsoft webserver to be very reliable (maybe Brian Lafrance, my coworker, co-conspirator with Team Leaplab, and our database programmer might disagree :-) ).  FYI:  The Microsoft IIS server we run at the office has almost 500 websites hosted on it!!!!   Mike Team Leaplab   ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Tierra Buena To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The "Most Unsecure" OS According to this article, it's... well, let's just say there's a penguin involved:   http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=27428   The real point being, nobody's safe these days.   Steve Team Tierra Buena ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~