A fundamental question here:

Jerry, when you say "It seems all National Forest caches will soon be
removed," is that a statement based on something someone in an official
capacity told you, or is it your conclusion from Joe's message?

It seems like a perfectly valid conclusion to draw, based on what we're
hearing from the Tonto NF folks, but a conclusion and a statement of
authority are two different things.

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]  On Behalf Of Jerry
Nelson
Sent:	Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:12 PM
To:	listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:	Re: [Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches

It seems all National Forest caches will soon be removed.

I'll admit I wasn't at all upset about removing caches in wilderness but
feared it would be expanded to all forest service land. When you think about
the damage other types of recreational and economic uses are doing, caching
seems extremely low impact by comparison.  So cows are OK, but not caches?
...sigh.

Steve, does this mean the Feb. 2 event is cancelled?

Jerry
Offtrail


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Brekke" <joenveng@cableaz.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Superstition Caches


> I too went to the Mesa Ranger Station today to pick up our cache that was
> taken from the Peralta Trail area.  The folks there were very nice, and I
> apologized for placing it there.  He told me pretty much twhat I thought
he
> would that they are concerned with ancillary trails being forged from
people
> looking for caches, and also that it was personal property abandoned in
the
> Wilderness area.
>
> I inquired about permits or if there was a chance of getting permits.  The
> gentleman replied that there was no way as of now, they had no policy and
> basically said that it wouldn't happen soon...as it would have to come
down
> on a Federal level.  I also asked if there were a way to get permits for
> placing caches in the Nat'l Forest, he replied no, and same story...don't
> hold your breath.  He also told me that they were going to start to remove
> any caches that are on Forest Service Land...that includes the Nat'l
> Forest...
>
> Looks to me like Jeremy and volunteers at Geocaching.com better get off
> their high-horse about  "Lame Virtual Caches"...(not my favorite either),
> message that I got today was that was all that would be acceptable in
Forest
> Service Land...and even if they do allow some at some future date, they
> would be severely restricted.
>
> Anyway, I do have the cache, including the travel bug that was in it....I

> will try to place it soon.
>
> Joe
> TeamBlunder
>
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