> you can't pump your own GAS in Oregon??? Who pumps it for you? Trisha Likewise New Jersey, the only other state that prohibits self-service gas pumping. Who pumps it for you? Paid attendants, who, in the "olden" days (pre-1973 and the "Original" gasoline crisis) would also, check your oil and water while the tank was filling. That's where the now-antiquated term "service station" came from; they would actually perform routine service on your car while attending to the filling of your gas tank. Now I remember why we speak of the "good old days" . For what it's worth, even with mandatory "full service", New Jersey consistently ranks as one of the three or four cheapest states in the country in which to buy gas. Here's a quote from a report dated October 10, 2002, and prepared by AAA Arizona: "Across the country, California continues its reign as the state with the highest gasoline price average of $1.587 per gallon, followed by New York: $1.552 and Wisconsin: $1.537. While the cheapest average fuel price was spotted in Georgia at $1.321 per gallon, followed by South Carolina: $1.353 and New Jersey: $1.355. Locally, the most notable price dip occurred in Scottsdale where the average cost of fuel decreased 2.4 cents to $1.393 per gallon. The East Valley was a close second, slipping two cents to $1.363 per gallon." Prescott wasn't listed, but Flagstaff was at 1.525 and the statewide average for Arizona was 1.414, while the national average at the time of the report was 1.447. Before you accuse me of going way off-topic here, because we're on an extremely tight budget, I have a pretty good idea of how much geo-gas we burn and how much it costs. It's a big reason we haven't been too active of late. So it's important to me caching-wise to pay attention to fuel costs. Once you've bought the GPSr gas is the single biggest expense, and in time becomes a larger cost than your GPSr. Steve Team Tierra Buena There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". -- Dave Barry