Let's move on to important things. Did anyone ever find out if you can do any of the permitting process via telephone/fax/e-mail? Ann and I will need to get this done sometime soon, and if we have to do it in person we will both have to take a day off from work to make the trip to an office where we can obtain the permits. I don't believe that there is one in Tucson. If we have to take a day off, I will need to decide which office to go to. Phoenix is always an attractive target to bag some urban caches, but there are a few around Ajo and Gila Bend that would make for a good day of cache hunting. In addition to the permitting system question, has anyone else given any thought to making the trip? The more the merrier. I do have a question/suggestion for the Snaptek guys. Is it possible to setup some sort of signup sheet/board on the website for these group strike forces? While e-mail works well, it would be nice to have someplace where we could go to one page and see who all is planning on attending as well as a list of things that we might need. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com