To Ken: I am glad you were able to get your person who broke her ankle out safely. I hope she is doing OK and recovers quickly. It is good to remind everyone to always be prepared, don't take anything for granted and just do a few relatively simple things to be safe. And in the "big" scheme of things, "B.B. Cache" is not that remote, compared to some places one could find themselves! To Kyle and everyone: It is a real shame to read about the person who died up near Crown King. Anybody who has been up to CK (either up the Cleator Road from I-17, or down from Prescott/Mayer via Senator Hwy (FR 52) knows that the road is very rocky, often narrow and curvy, with steep sides in places. We were just up there last weekend, drove the whole loop. In dry conditions, you still have to be very careful. If you don't proceed relatively slowly, the dry/washboard curves are very treacherous. It is soooo sad someone apparently did not exercise the utmost caution, and lost control. Two weekends ago, while assisting with communications/checkpoints at the "Man Against Horse Endurance Race" that is held every year up here on Mingus, one of our units came across a Mustang with 2 teen boys, about a mile in (south) on the dirt road at the top, off the cliff, and held up only by a rock. (They would have gone all the way down, very far) It was on one of those wide, but washboard turns, and obviously they had been going too fast and lost control. I was able to call the Sheriff and give them the road location and GPS location. (I actually heard them dispatch the call and the deputy wanted the GPS coords!) Luckily, they kids were not hurt. I'm just saying this as another example: please be careful and SLOW down. Sorry, all, I didn't mean to be so long. I just get concerned and hope talking about things like this (be prepared, be careful, slow down) might prevent some other misfortune. Peace, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, "Kyle Hagan" wrote: It was a busy weekend up there. This guy was in Jeep and had an accident. Its really bad to hear things like these.     ARIZONA CENTRAL ARTICLE: Phoenix man dies in car plunge off cliffAssociated PressOct. 14, 2002 07:47 AMCROWN KING - A 35-year-old Phoenix man was found dead after his carplunged over a 500-foot cliff near the tiny community of Crown King.The Yavapai County sheriff's office called in a DPS helicopter to helpin the recovering of the body of Clinton Keeler on Saturday.   Kyle www.usa4x4.org   ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geocaching accident We had a trip planned to Crown King this weekend with 4 other families. Decided to hit one or two caches on the way up and stopped off to do the "B.B." cache. On the way back from a small easy hike from the cache site one of our group slipped on some pea gravel on a shallow 3 foot incline. She fell to the ground and dislocated her ankle and broke it in two places. The group we were with consisted of 1 certified EMT and one former EMT and two police officers. We were able provide the emergency services ourselves and get her to the hospital within an hour. Two hours of surgery and lots of bolts later the ankle was put back together. She is expected to be in the hospital for another day and off work for 4-6 weeks.   I'm posting this as a friendly reminder to be careful when out doing the remote caches sites. Always let someone know where you are going, bring a cell phone, and BE PREPARED for the unexpected. This was not a difficult cache and was truly an accident. The remote location of this cache could have made it much worse if it was a solo cache hunter.   Ken  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Although no one can go back and make a brand new start, Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~