The key (no pun intended) is in the encryption. Keyword encrypt/decrypt is extensively covered on the web. The variations are whether the numerics are included in the matrix, and if they are, whether "0" is at the beginning or the end. Generally, if a software puke crates the matrix, "0" is at the end. If a hardware weenie creates it "0" is at the beginning. There are a lot of caches out there that use keyword encryption; Wyle E has done several as I recall. The real fun is in learning the technique; so I will say no more. Go to the web; don't settle for any one source. CJ -----Original Message----- From: Heather Drake [mailto:h3rdr8k@ispwest.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:47 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie requesting help I am attempting the "19th Hole" by Tres Hombres. After about 3 nights of looking at the puzzle, I can't figure out how to decipher it. Any hints would be greatly appreciated. I've done the first part where I went to the coordinates and got the word and put it in the tongue of the Tres Hombres. My inner coyote just isn't howling to me on this one. Thanks, Heather (aka Darsantre in her log sigs) _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com