I will have to agree with Cody, lately there have been some caches that are a waste of time. I know that I have had a couple of Altoid container caches, actually besides Chandler Mini, my Palo Verde was one of the first Altoid container caches. I think the best caches are ones that are unique, either area, or the method of finding them. The best Urban Cache I can think of was the Water Ranch (the original one) cache. This gave you clues and made you go to one coordinates and use your brain in finding the cache. There have been others also, but as a group we should not be placing cookie cutter caches just to place them. Some of the best quality cache hiding teams (strictly my opinion) Wyle E, Roadrunners, Cache Quest, and CB2X .(I have left off a few teams due to bias, caching partners). When I see their caches I know time and effort has gone into placement and I really appreciate the hunt for caches you have hidden. May we all attempt to achieve the quality of these teams. Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: teamcbx2 [mailto:teamcbx2@ev1.net] Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:55 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache Stepping up to soapbox... Cheryl and I visited 14 caches today along with 2 not founds. We visited some very cool cache sites and a couple that had absolutely no thought, planning, or creativity involved. These are a waste of my time, your time, and everyone involved. Yes it counts as a find, but thats it. I would like to ask our fellow cachers to please put some thought into their caches. At this rate, we'll have an altoid tin hidden on every corner of the city. There are countless magnificent places here in Arizona as well as right here in the valley. Please seek these out and share them with the Geocaching community. Stepping down, Cody Team CBX2 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of WOLFB8 Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:20 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] what makes a good cache With a increased number of geocacher in Arizona we have a increased number of people hiding caches. I was just wondering what people consider a good cache and a cache to just to add to your stats. I am not looking for names of caches. ( I do not want to hurt anyone feeling including mine if you think they suck) so if we were to break it down in to for stats only almost good good I will remember this one great Hopefully this can be a tool for the cacher out there who want to hide a cache or 2 Libby We will be known by the tracks we leave behind