At 04:06 PM 8/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: >maybe we should use the note thing as we attempted this cache at this >time...as I feel a no find is used once all other options are exhausted... Why do you feel that way? Are you saying that you should only log a no-find if you never plan on actually finding the cache in the future? I don't think you are being honest with the game if you go out and spend time at "ground zero" without finding the cache and not logging it as a no-find, even if you go back and find it later. In liberty, Scott wood@myblueheaven.com www.myblueheaven.com