I've really been riding the fence regarding locationless caches. One min I like them and the next I don't. Its interesting to read another person opinion regarding locatinless caches. One thing I have noticed as a side benifit to locationless caches is they do boost areas that don't have a lot of caches. I think I've only found two locationless caches and I actually only logged one of them so I won't loose any sleep if they go away. What happens to locationless caches if they are no longer included with your finds? They will go away much the same as benchmarks did. Now benchmarks not being counted on the other hand I did and still do have a problem with. Using your logic that I included below just proves why they should be counted. Whats different between a benchmark and a virtual, web-cam, etc? For both you must use a GPS to lead you to a specified location. Michael ----Original Message Follows---- Why not then segregate counts for virtuals, web-cams, etc., as well? Because all of the other cache types share one thing in common with the "traditional" cache: You have to use your GPS to lead you to some previously specified location. Locationless is the one category where that fundamental characteristic does not apply. That is why there are many posters to the forums who call for the elimination of locationless caches altogether. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com