At 02:52 PM 7/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I certainly think there is a place for locationless caching... but, it >should be a different section of geocaching.com (kinda like the >benchmarks). For me to log a cache, I require a GPS to take me to the >coordinates. I still enjoy virtual caches, but you are right, the GPS needs to direct me to the place. The other thing that I always consider is that I need to go to the same place as the cache owner, as well as the other people who find it. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache