Re the locationless cache vs. your series, Brett: Points noted, all
valid. Thanks for that.

On the certificates: I've heard about 'em, never seen one, certainly in
Arizona. I don't have a problem with leaving them in, nobody's forced to
print one, but those who want it can have one ... Provided they've
visited the cache.

Steve
Team Tierra Buena

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> Behalf Of Talons
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:07 PM
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> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Madonna of the Trail, other issues
> 
> 
> Hello again everyone.
> I guess I missed an issue this morning when I was writing my 
> earlier post.
> 
> Steve pointed out that there is a locationless cache dealing 
> with the same monuments.  I did not know it existed, and had 
> never even looked at a locationless cache before today.  I 
> have been thinking about it all day, and have decided that 
> even if I had known, I still would have gone ahead with my 
> virtual caches.  I have 2 reasons for this:
> #1) I view a monument cache as something everybody should 
> visit and be allowed to log.  A locationless cache sends the 
> opposite signal -- sorry, but that monument was 'used up' by 
> the one person who visited it in June, 2002.  There are 
> potentially thousands of cachers who may get the chance to 
> log a virtual cache here.  Each should be allowed his/her own 
> moment of triumph, even if the cache is super easy.
> #2) If cache redundancy is a reason for archival of a cache, 
> the locationless cache would be the one to be archived 
> anyway.  I set up the Madonna cache in Lexington 3 months 
> before the locationless cache was created.
> #3) The issue will disappear in a couple months anyway, 
> because each of the 12 monuments will be posted on the 
> locationless cache and it will be closed.
> 
> Now, I have a question for you all:
> The certificate of accomplishment is something I see in 
> caches around my neck of the woods.  I save them in my PC 
> with my pictures.  The password is intended to keep people 
> from opening the document that have not visited the cache.  
> The certificate does not, however, do ANYTHING for visit 
> verification.  Visit verification for this cache is now done 
> either by picture or email.  Is the purpose of the 
> certificate too confusing?  Some cachers around here like 
> collecting them, but this cache is not in my locale.  Do you 
> think I should remove the certificate?
> 
> -Brett
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