Hello again everyone. I guess I missed an issue this morning when I was writing my earlier post. Steve pointed out that there is a locationless cache dealing with the same monuments. I did not know it existed, and had never even looked at a locationless cache before today. I have been thinking about it all day, and have decided that even if I had known, I still would have gone ahead with my virtual caches. I have 2 reasons for this: #1) I view a monument cache as something everybody should visit and be allowed to log. A locationless cache sends the opposite signal -- sorry, but that monument was 'used up' by the one person who visited it in June, 2002. There are potentially thousands of cachers who may get the chance to log a virtual cache here. Each should be allowed his/her own moment of triumph, even if the cache is super easy. #2) If cache redundancy is a reason for archival of a cache, the locationless cache would be the one to be archived anyway. I set up the Madonna cache in Lexington 3 months before the locationless cache was created. #3) The issue will disappear in a couple months anyway, because each of the 12 monuments will be posted on the locationless cache and it will be closed. Now, I have a question for you all: The certificate of accomplishment is something I see in caches around my neck of the woods. I save them in my PC with my pictures. The password is intended to keep people from opening the document that have not visited the cache. The certificate does not, however, do ANYTHING for visit verification. Visit verification for this cache is now done either by picture or email. Is the purpose of the certificate too confusing? Some cachers around here like collecting them, but this cache is not in my locale. Do you think I should remove the certificate? -Brett