You asked who would they really be cheating. I would think that they would be cheating all of the people who actually did make the effort to go out there. Someone who cheats on getting credit for a cache is not going to have the moral understanding that they are cheating themselves or they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. I don't think Larry was saying that the cache was a bad idea, nor was he making a personal attack on the placer of the cache (at least that's what I see), but he was just saying that the confirmation means needed to be updated to prevent cheating. -Frobro Goose -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Baja Fleg Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) Why should there have to be requirements? If you don't actually find and visit the statue then who exactly are you cheating? I just got back from finding the statue that is in Albuquerque and it was a little bit of a challenge. The park the statue once stood in is gone only to be replaced by a government building. I do admit that the password protected file should be a little harder but like I said before the only person your cheating is yourself. These cache finds only matter to the person finding them and the cache owner. Its not like they are highly accurate either. Damn someone for trying to do something nice for people he will never meet..... Michael ----Original Message Follows---- Sorry if I offend anyone, but geocaching in Arizona has hit a new low. I don't like the new virtual cache GC6FD5. It's a freebie without any requirements. No requirement to visit the statue, no requirements to Email the owner- there's no requirement to justify a "find" on this statue. The "reward" is a certificate that is password protected. However, the password is shown in the background picture and is in the web link attached to the cache description. So what's the purpose of this cache (if you can call it that)? Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com