Team Tierra Buena, > This guy thinks you're right on both counts. At least you feel my pain ;) My plan it to go ahead and log them as 'post a note' and post a picture to show that we gave it the 'old college try'. I think posting them as 'couldn't find it' isn't quite the best description. Brian, > In other words, you would probably need a couple thousand dollar lens > for your camera, something along the lines of what you see on the side > lines of sporting events :) I have a friend who would be happy to loan me his 600mm lens... nah, if I broke it I would have to mortgage the house and throw in a couple children to pay him back. Praying for rain, Karl Silent Yellow Dog Team